So can we assume now that updated troll models are done and more are coming?
I have to say that the Ra-Den model is pretty much what many of us were expecting. Only question left is, why we fight him. Perhaps he has gone mad over the years or is simply pretty pissed at this point.
here the link: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...el-is-awesome/
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Last edited by Drilnos; 2013-01-10 at 05:22 PM.
I didn't read through this thread, but judging by the small lightning still emanating from Ra-Den, and Lei Shen apparently having taken his heart, it seems likely that using Ra-Den's freshly harvested heart was what gave Lei Shen his thunder powers in the first place, while the other flesh might've been used to create The Divine Bell.
I mean, I haven't seen a Mogu with the ability to use lightning before, and yet here we have a Titanic creature, whose heart has been ripped out. If we pair that up with the knowledge that some Pantheon have been said to possess powers over certain elements, it doesn't seem too out-of-place that at the time of battle, Lei Shen was a normal Mogu (as far as a Mogu that strong can be normal) and earned his title of Thunder King and the powers after defeating Ra-Den?
Thanks for the awesome sig, Lady Amuno.
But don't expect anything too different from these, take them as a preview of how they will look artistically.
The playable models won't arrive until the next expansion (or even later), anyway. And I'm not even sure if they'll show them before the official announcement.
English is not my first language, feel free to correct any mistake I may make.
Let's look at facts:
1) Lei Shin roflstomped this Titanic creation and tore out his heart, while he was a lowly Mogu
2) Lei Shin ate/consumed/merged with or whatever the heart/core/power of this creation to become MORE powerful
3) This would (assumedly) further weaken the creation
4) We just defeated the empowered, rezzed Thunder King
So, how would the weakened version of an adversary that, when at full strength, was defeated by a watered down version of the boss we just killed provide any challenge?
That's my issue with the way it looks. Makes no sense.
I have to imagine, if they go with this interpretation, that defeating Lei Shen will allow Ra-Den to reclaim his heart or something, and power up. Still makes no sense as to why he would have been defeated in the first place.
Still find it a bit unbelievable that he was defeated and imprisoned against his will.
Also, if Ra-Den was tasked to oversee the Engine... why was Elegon there? Wasn't that what he was doing?
Ra-Den was already heavily wounded when they fought?
Lei Shen may be weaker because he was resurrected recently?
Thanks for the awesome sig, Lady Amuno.
Also, we will have just fought the guy who imprisoned a Keeper and 12 of his other cronies and constructs on the way to his throne. The Adventurer's won't exactly be at peak efficiency and stamina by the time they stumble upon Ra-Den.
Lei Shen gained a great deal of his power by stealing it from Ra-Den, so perhaps upon killing the Thunder King that power might find its way back to its original owner - but he doesn't need to be stronger than Lei Shen to still pose a threat to us.
The most implausible aspect is that a lone, "normal" Mogu could have so handily defeated a Titan Watcher. There has to be more to it than that.
Also, there's no indication of what the fight will be like. We could be freeing him, seeing as we apparently fight him in the Thunder King's prison. And I doubt the original fight was as simple as Lei Shin walking in and kicking him in balls and ripping his heart out. I highly doubt Lei Shin defeated him one on one or at least without some trickery. As we learned in Ulduar, Watchers aren't above being tricked.
There's not even any reason to believe he'll still be weakened by the time we get to him. For all we know there's a cut scene on heroic after you kill Lei Shin that restores the power that was stolen from him. Hell, we may be fighting a weakened Lei Shin - since he was just resurrected - and a fully powered Ra-Den - since Lei Shin is dead at that point and his powers restored - instead of the other way around.
There's a lot of jumps in logic in this thread when we know absolutely nothing about the fight or the situation surrounding it.
Last edited by nnelson54; 2013-01-10 at 06:55 PM.
I think it's likely there will be some "power transfer", but I still do/will find that cheesy and a cop-out if implemented. I mean, we beat Lei Shin's ass because Random_Watcher_002 can't, but then he sucks the power from him and now is pissed at us for helping? I dunno, have to see how it unfolds.
Rag 1.0 -> Nef 1.0 -> C'thun -> KT 1.0 -> Kael/Vashj -> Illidan -> KJ avatar -> KT 2.0 -> Yogg -> Anub -> Arthas -> Nef 2.0/ChoGall/AlAkir -> Rag 2.0 -> DW -> MoP
Sure, the underlings along the way can be construed and argued about, but taking your faction champs example, aren't they just supposed to be the opposite faction of ourselves? I mean, at this point, the player-hero's in WoW are no joke in terms of power. And following the above timeline, most of the lore canon seems to hold true (Illidan < LK < DW for example), and if not, it was retconned or footnoted that the boss was either weakened, avatar'ed, or a version 1.0 that came back stronger later.
But, as you said, a lot of it is raelly up in the air. Still, I'm hoping for a really good explanation of the encounter...
Edit: One that I just thought of as a glaring inconsistency would be Gruul. Didn't he wipe the floor with the black dragonflight, Neltharion included? Although, I guess Blizz can claim "Old God infused power" made the DW we fought a markedly increased version of the one that lost in Outlands. Just food for thought/discussion.
Last edited by Nairobi; 2013-01-10 at 07:32 PM.
Same thing with the whole "Burning Legion uses a lot of their power to come thru portals" schtick that they've talked about, which allowed Aegwynn to drive back Sargeras' avatar and explained why 1) KJ was stuck in the floor and 2) why he was defeated. Seems they should really look into better portal-summoning-management abilities prior to their real assault on Azeroth :P