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    I'd like to echo what weakdots said.

    Remember that without glyph of EA, doom will be hitting 20% harder, and thus I don't think haste should be completely tossed aside in favour of crit just to try and force out more imps.

    Mastery will remain as strong as before, especially if we take the new AD talent and line up big fury dumps with that + the new icd proc from bindings.
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  2. #2022
    After some testing I definitely feel stronger about going crit with demo. Did an affliction cross over vs a crit centric build using amp + timeless (or chanye). Also compared it to an amp + UVLS setup. As long as I got lucky I felt okay w' the UVLS setup but luck didn't last and I fury starved. The aff crossover was BBoY and amp which again fury starved but still beat UVLS. Saw strongest results running amp + timeless though the chanye was very close on it. Could have been RNG but lining up every other doom application with the 20% crit proc on a crit centric setup gave me over 50% crit rate to my doom. All tests were with 5xT16 and my armory (550ilvl) bits elsewise.

    Perhaps demo will be best with 8097 haste > crit > mast > haste if you have the ilvl to get to around 30-35% crit self buffed. "Feel" wise I think it will be a shocker to those demo locks who stack endless haste. Should feel more familiar to demo locks who have gone 8100 haste > mastery. I tend to play at just under 10K haste with the rest to mastery since it mojo's with affliction really well (live).

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    Currently, i have 500 valor to upgrade, but I'm stuck between my two trinkets. I have a 502 (LFR non-upgraded) Breath, and a 522 Cha-Ye's (normal non-upgraded). I may be a bit too optimistic because this difficulty of choice is based on the hope that I am getting UVLS tomorrow night off of Lei Shen; Breath's haste will up the RPPM better for the UVLS, but could upgrading Cha-Ye's still pull ahead?

    Right now I'm sitting at a low haste amount, due to poor itemization. The final question is: should I upgrade Breath or Cha-Ye's, or does it depend on whether or not I get UVLS tomorrow night?

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  4. #2024
    I will be playing Aff/Demo (Offspec when needed) in SoO, and were wondering how good the set bonus is for us? (For Aff it seems weak).

    Also, because I will be playing Aff I won't be regemming for farm fights (Were I play Demo), and thus my crit will be insanely low.
    In these cases, would reforging to crit be the best idea, as I will have insanely low crit on my Aff set? (It seems like balancing haste mastery and crit is the way to go for Demo)
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    Hey guys,
    I was destro for the entire patch and i recently got the UVLS lfr and i wanted to test it out. MY warlock is 520 item level and it seems most of the demo guides suggest that i should be going for 8094 haste cap> mastrey> crit

    But i am not able to reach that amount of haste without sacrificing some intellect gem, can someone give some advice for reforging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidace View Post
    Hey guys,
    I was destro for the entire patch and i recently got the UVLS lfr and i wanted to test it out. MY warlock is 520 item level and it seems most of the demo guides suggest that i should be going for 8094 haste cap> mastrey> crit

    But i am not able to reach that amount of haste without sacrificing some intellect gem, can someone give some advice for reforging.

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    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ale/ace/simple
    at that ilvl, id stick with destro until i reach atleast ilvl 525.

  7. #2027
    Quote Originally Posted by kidace View Post
    Hey guys,
    I was destro for the entire patch and i recently got the UVLS lfr and i wanted to test it out. MY warlock is 520 item level and it seems most of the demo guides suggest that i should be going for 8094 haste cap> mastrey> crit

    But i am not able to reach that amount of haste without sacrificing some intellect gem, can someone give some advice for reforging.

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    there's a gemming guide in the first post of this thread you should really take a look at. quick, before someone notices your hit + stamina gem!
    I think i can give up choose talent in this level?
    because if i am not choose this level。 i can have 20% blood more than choosen..
    GREAT BLZ.
    warlock now became a guy use 5 level talents VS other 6 level.

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    Omg lol, It is wierd that i have that gem on, i pre bought all my gems.
    I have a stack of 160 int ones, the int and haste ones, int and mastery, and 320 haste ones

  9. #2029
    Quote Originally Posted by kidace View Post
    Omg lol, It is wierd that i have that gem on, i pre bought all my gems.
    I have a stack of 160 int ones, the int and haste ones, int and mastery, and 320 haste ones
    you should stop gemming pure Intellect, you've got a weird mix of pure and secondary gems. go yellow gems in yellow slots, orange gems in red slots and green (haste+hit or mastery+hit) in blue slots. don't worry about sacrificing intellect, I don't think I've used a red intellect gem since 5.1
    I think i can give up choose talent in this level?
    because if i am not choose this level。 i can have 20% blood more than choosen..
    GREAT BLZ.
    warlock now became a guy use 5 level talents VS other 6 level.

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    these gems were for my destro spec, after simulating my char the outcome was that intellect was 2x the other stats. So i decide to gem pure intellect.

    thank you for the advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidace View Post
    these gems were for my destro spec, after simulating my char the outcome was that intellect was 2x the other stats. So i decide to gem pure intellect.

    thank you for the advice.
    well I ran a quick sim for you and got the following

    Int - 5.33
    Haste - 3.09
    Mastery - 2.97

    so a 160 int gem is worth 852.8, where a 320 Haste gem is worth 927 and Mastery worth 950.4, so you you want to go pure secondary stats as soon as possible. not only are haste gems superior to intellect, you'll also benefit from hitting the haste plateau too.
    I think i can give up choose talent in this level?
    because if i am not choose this level。 i can have 20% blood more than choosen..
    GREAT BLZ.
    warlock now became a guy use 5 level talents VS other 6 level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidbear View Post
    well I ran a quick sim for you and got the following

    Int - 5.33
    Haste - 3.09
    Mastery - 2.97

    so a 160 int gem is worth 852.8, where a 320 Haste gem is worth 927 and Mastery worth 950.4, so you you want to go pure secondary stats as soon as possible. not only are haste gems superior to intellect, you'll also benefit from hitting the haste plateau too.
    Sorry it took me so long to answer you i was busy, i really appreciate your help.

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    Hey guys, I just got back in to WoW and I'm playing a Warlock for the first time since WOTLK, tons of changes. I probably won't be doing any serious raiding until Virtual Realms ( my server is dead ), but I would like to learn as much as possible until then.

    My question is, should I my second Hand of Gul'dan be a Hand+Meta? Even if that means I'll instantly break out of Meta, due to low Fury or no trinkets/demon soul?

    Also, since I do not have T15, is my Metaphase really just Touch of Chaos spam? It feels... odd to just sit there and spam 1 key ( assuming Doom is up ).

  14. #2034
    It's unlikely you will instantly break Meta on Hand-weaving; it has a 10-second cooldown, and you'll be doing things outside of Meta that add Fury. Generally, it is advised to always weave your HoGs in Meta, but fight-specific circumstances may change things. You want to maximize trinket procs inside Meta to be sure, but you can't rely on them. You can rely on your HoG cycle.

    ToC is your usual fury dump, but there are circumstances where you also dump MC procs in Meta. Look through the last couple of pages in this thread, there has been some extensive discussion on that very topic.

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    Ill take a look. Thanks.

  16. #2036
    Hey, i totally missed the 5.4 changes to UVLS, can anybody please help me and tell me what will change with this trinket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy69 View Post
    Hey, i totally missed the 5.4 changes to UVLS, can anybody please help me and tell me what will change with this trinket?
    The trinket it self doesnt change as far as i have read. But they have change around how RRPM works, so it no longer guarantees proc on pull and does no longer scale with haste. That means there will be far less procs, and alot more luck behind getting it at the right times.

    Also they have removed the everlasting glyph, which increased the duration of dots, so that will also make it harder to keep UVLS buffed doom up.

  18. #2038
    Quote Originally Posted by Faylo View Post
    I will be playing Aff/Demo...

    Also, because I will be playing Aff I won't be regemming for farm fights (Were I play Demo), and thus my crit will be insanely low.
    In these cases, would reforging to crit be the best idea, as I will have insanely low crit on my Aff set? (It seems like balancing haste mastery and crit is the way to go for Demo)
    I'm sort of wondering the same thing...how to balance playing Affliction with Demo OS (or vice versa). Will a heavy mastery build (after haste cap) really be all that terrible for Demo? Or will Demo just be frustrating w/o a heavy crit setup....which seems to be the consensus. Regemming between fights just doesn't seem reasonable - although reforge, while not cheap, is more doable.

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    IMO Demo for single target without a heavy crit build is pretty lame but, in aoe situations, a mastery build its way better and more solid.

    So, if u want demo as off-spec, with affliction build, just use demo on heavy aoe fights.

  20. #2040
    Demo on a council fight (klaxxi or protectors) or vs endless interrupts (thok) is going to be strong still in the present haste/mastery build. The more single target fights (or ones where you want to focus on single target) aff is hard to beat. That or might just run aff MS w' demo OS and use UVLS since it would still itemize similarly. Might just roll through like live running 10K haste w' the rest to mastery. You could theoretically play any spec with that itemization...though clearly not optimally outside of affliction which could still be argued going to the 13K haste ballpark once you were full SoO geared.

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