1. #2221
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    you can watch stream live of blatty when he plays demo (method) on HC progression

    (google : blatty millenium tv)

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    Last edited by Alarinth; 2013-09-18 at 12:42 PM.

  2. #2222
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkith View Post
    Are there any breakpoints above 8097? I have a lot of haste/mastery gear now since starting SoO heroics and my haste is sitting at around 11k
    The 8400 breakpoint its pretty useful gives +5 doom(if not mistaken) ticks under heroism+meta. On fights where hero is done on pool this can give superior DPS as one gets a super buffed doom for 1:30sec

    and its only +300 than the 8100 point so imo its worth it, ToT had some fights where hero was done on pull like the bird and the eye boss, SoO for HC I dont know yet
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  3. #2223

    new to demo

    Hey guys, I was hoping you could give me a little help. I'm trying to switch/learn demo and I have a few questions I hope you could answer.

    1. How should I be using fel flame? Should I just use it instead of shadow bolt?

    2. the stat priority is int hit haste mast crit right?

    3. I want to be going in and out of meta when ever I get an int/trinket proc and spamming touch of chaos?

    4. Should I be using hand of gul'dan on cd or should I be waiting to have 2 charges?

    5. I'm not sure when I should be using my soul fire procs? should I being using then in or out meta?

    Thanks for any help you guys and gals can give me.

  4. #2224

    Pull and Molten Core advice

    I was reading up a lot and there is some awesome stuff here.

    I got 2 questions here I did not see a definite answer to, for the sake of details, I'm using Grimoire of Service.

    1. Assuming there are no 2 pieces of T15 -> Should I cast Molten Core: Soul Fire during Meta or use Touch of Chaos only?
    2. Assuming no Glyph of Imp Swarm used AND my on-pull rotation is: HoG>Corr>Fel Flame>Service: Felguard>Command Demon>HoG>Meta>Doom>Doom -> Should I cast Demon Soul during this rotation to beef my initial pull dots and Felstorms at expense of less Meta uptime during Demon Soul OR delay it to gather more Demonic Fury, but making my initial Dooms and Felguards weaker?

  5. #2225
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I was reading up a lot and there is some awesome stuff here.

    I got 2 questions here I did not see a definite answer to, for the sake of details, I'm using Grimoire of Service.

    1. Assuming there are no 2 pieces of T15 -> Should I cast Molten Core: Soul Fire during Meta or use Touch of Chaos only?
    2. Assuming no Glyph of Imp Swarm used AND my on-pull rotation is: HoG>Corr>Fel Flame>Service: Felguard>Command Demon>HoG>Meta>Doom>Doom -> Should I cast Demon Soul during this rotation to beef my initial pull dots and Felstorms at expense of less Meta uptime during Demon Soul OR delay it to gather more Demonic Fury, but making my initial Dooms and Felguards weaker?
    1. Meta Molten Core Soul Fire has higher DPET than Touch of Chaos but it costs more as well. Use it for burst or when you get fury out the wazoo. It is also wise to use Meta Soul Fire when you have alot of haste procs and other big procs, but not like spamming it.
    2. This is a bit tricky. Your basic goal is to spend as much time in meta and dot whenever you have max trinket uptime and dark soul. So I'm thinking for trinkets with big uptime like Immerseus you can delay using cds like you mention and cast some Fel Flames or Shadow Bolts till you have enough fury to spend the remainder of your trinkets in meta. But otherwise you should definitely cast a max-buffed Doom asap, when out of fury spend some time out of meta and meta as soon as you can to dps the remainder of Dark Soul.
    Last edited by hellhamster; 2013-09-18 at 08:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I was reading up a lot and there is some awesome stuff here.

    I got 2 questions here I did not see a definite answer to, for the sake of details, I'm using Grimoire of Service.

    1. Assuming there are no 2 pieces of T15 -> Should I cast Molten Core: Soul Fire during Meta or use Touch of Chaos only?
    When you have significant mastery/int/haste modifiers and alot of demonic fury.

    [QUOTE=Gaidax;22446119]2. Assuming no Glyph of Imp Swarm used AND my on-pull rotation is: HoG>Corr>Fel Flame>Service: Felguard>Command Demon>HoG>Meta>Doom>Doom -> Should I cast Demon Soul during this rotation to beef my initial pull dots and Felstorms at expense of less Meta uptime during Demon Soul OR delay it to gather more Demonic Fury, but making my initial Dooms and Felguards weaker?

    Precast SB -> Grim:Serv -> HoG -> Corruption -> SB/SFx2 (MC proc dependent, basically wanting to ensure you clip the second HoG) -> Dark Soul/Gloves/Racials -> HoG -> Meta -> Doom x2

    Felstorm is off the GCD.

  7. #2227
    [QUOTE=Nephrenka;22459804]When you have significant mastery/int/haste modifiers and alot of demonic fury.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    2. Assuming no Glyph of Imp Swarm used AND my on-pull rotation is: HoG>Corr>Fel Flame>Service: Felguard>Command Demon>HoG>Meta>Doom>Doom -> Should I cast Demon Soul during this rotation to beef my initial pull dots and Felstorms at expense of less Meta uptime during Demon Soul OR delay it to gather more Demonic Fury, but making my initial Dooms and Felguards weaker?

    Precast SB -> Grim:Serv -> HoG -> Corruption -> SB/SFx2 (MC proc dependent, basically wanting to ensure you clip the second HoG) -> Dark Soul/Gloves/Racials -> HoG -> Meta -> Doom x2

    Felstorm is off the GCD.
    Should precast SF especially if you have the 2pc t16. I also personally do corruption b4 HoG but either way there is no way its a big dps difference (I do it b/c my understanding is corruption takes a second to tick and I want to get a enough time to get both HoGs off with a little time in between b4 my UVLS procs and I need to go to Meta to do doom x2).

    As for the guys question #2 I would like to know the answer myself. I have been thinking the answer is to do the opener without DS and pop out of meta basically right after the second doom. Then sit in caster form for prob 4 or 5 nukes (save up some molten core charges - pop a few SFs off until I get the 2pc to proc and then pop meta/DS/int procs and do a full burn). Now, I have 5 people on conq token in my taken so I may unfortunately not have to worry about this issue for a little while but does holding off on DS in order to do a full proper burn make sense as without imp glyph and 2pc t15 I wont be able to stay in meta the entire time anymore.

    Edit - forgot all about my other trinket than just uvls. with what I said above by the time I did pop back into Meta the trinket would prob be on CD (going with bindings here as that is what I am shooting for). So, taking that into consideration I just may take GoServ, no imp trinket, pop DS right b4 Hog x2 and just pop out of meta once for like 2x SF casts then pop back into meta.

    Either way would love to hear some pro demo locks thoughts on opening post t15 2pc.
    Last edited by Hatelocker; 2013-09-19 at 03:01 PM.

  8. #2228
    Quick question on UVLS.

    My guild started raiding pretty late into 5.3 so we only managed to get Lei Shen down three times before 5.4, and no UVLS drop. This means I've been stuck with the LFR version of it for about 3 months now. We're doing SoO normal now (up to boss 6) and it doesn't look like we're going to be going back to ToT again, which means I'll never get a better version of UVLS.

    Basically what I'm asking is there a way of keeping the same dps (or doing better) without using UVLS at all? No matter which trinkets drop, should I really be sticking with this old ilvl 510 trinket for the rest of the tier? It feels kinda wrong, and to be honest I'm getting a little bored of a playstyle almost entirely dictated by a 4 sec RNG proc, so if it's still the only viable way to play demo in this patch I may decide to switch spec
    Last edited by Olorout; 2013-09-19 at 10:11 PM.

  9. #2229
    I've been wondering the same as Olorout, stuck with LFR UVLS, very unlikely to ever run ToT again and I'm not the biggest fan of my gameplay to be based on a 4s window.

    I'm at 531 ilvl and running Shado-Pan 2/2 with the UVLS and it feels like any SoO trinket is going to be better than LFR UVLS just so I can focus more on other fight mechanics rather than on a extremely short proc that more often than not happens at the wrong time.

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    Personally, I wouldn't bother sticking with UVLS if it was less then Heroic.

  11. #2231
    Quote Originally Posted by Nephrenka View Post
    Personally, I wouldn't bother sticking with UVLS if it was less then Heroic.
    Thanks Zevoa. Really making me feel great.

  12. #2232
    Hey demonologists, I got a quick question. I got a WF frenzied crystal of rage tonight http://www.wowhead.com/item=105323 and I was wondering if I should use it instead of my TF breath of the hydra(ilvl 536). I will most likely use it at council type fights such as fallen protectors and the klaxxi, but at this point, I'm not sure whether the proc alone is worth it for anything less than the aforementioned fights. Just how good is this trinket, exactly?

  13. #2233
    Last night, was doing norushen 10 heroic, we had 3 20 million wipes and one 10 million wipe. I changed to demo in the middle of the night 'cause the hunter in my guild was saying that pets were less affected by the corruption damage reduction and I'm gonna be the first to get purified and I'm only getting purified once, which means by 20-30% I have full corruption already (we were getting 10 corruption per manifestation). Given such low wipes, I obviously need to squeeze every tiny bit of dps I can. I was thinking of going with a full mastery setup on my gear, I don't have any version of uvls. Do you guys have any suggestion, if is it worth it playing demo with my gear on that fight? Having also in mind I'm probably more proficient as affliction

  14. #2234
    Sorry for not reading all of this thread I normaly play Affli and Destro but now I want to change for affli and demo off spec for aoe heavy fights. I have UVLS normal and Wusho normal or Hydra normal.

    So what is the current stat priority for demo with UVLS? Haste>Mastery>Crit? would be cool as this is quite compatible with affli

  15. #2235
    Quote Originally Posted by Selaiah View Post
    Sorry for not reading all of this thread I normaly play Affli and Destro but now I want to change for affli and demo off spec for aoe heavy fights. I have UVLS normal and Wusho normal or Hydra normal.

    So what is the current stat priority for demo with UVLS? Haste>Mastery>Crit? would be cool as this is quite compatible with affli
    9800 haste > mastery > haste > crit is what you want to play Affli/Demo

    Trinket choice is personal. Wushoolay is more powerful than Hydra but if you arent lucky, you'll never see it in line with UVLS proc with a 10/10 stacks. I personally use UVLS/Hydra: more safe, less rng, strong opener.

  16. #2236
    Quote Originally Posted by Nephrenka View Post
    Personally, I wouldn't bother sticking with UVLS if it was less then Heroic.
    My Normal TF UVLS procs very regularly and the spec plays pretty fluid with it. When I underperform is not up to the trinket but up to me messing up.

  17. #2237
    Quote Originally Posted by Sepharoth View Post
    Last night, was doing norushen 10 heroic, we had 3 20 million wipes and one 10 million wipe. I changed to demo in the middle of the night 'cause the hunter in my guild was saying that pets were less affected by the corruption damage reduction and I'm gonna be the first to get purified and I'm only getting purified once, which means by 20-30% I have full corruption already (we were getting 10 corruption per manifestation). Given such low wipes, I obviously need to squeeze every tiny bit of dps I can. I was thinking of going with a full mastery setup on my gear, I don't have any version of uvls. Do you guys have any suggestion, if is it worth it playing demo with my gear on that fight? Having also in mind I'm probably more proficient as affliction
    I believe the main difference on that fight is that imps are unaffected by your corruption (like they were unaffected on jin). Without uvls, you won't have nearly as many imps and you may be better off as affliction.

  18. #2238
    Do pets ( Imps / Felguard / GoServ Felguard ) or DoTs ticks ( Doom / Corruption ) makes Nazgrim gain extra rage during Defensive Stance?

  19. #2239
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellfury View Post
    The 8400 breakpoint its pretty useful gives +5 doom(if not mistaken) ticks under heroism+meta. On fights where hero is done on pool this can give superior DPS as one gets a super buffed doom for 1:30sec

    and its only +300 than the 8100 point so imo its worth it, ToT had some fights where hero was done on pull like the bird and the eye boss, SoO for HC I dont know yet
    where do you get the 8400 number at i dont see that anywhere on the spreadsheet

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    Quote Originally Posted by weakdots View Post
    where do you get the 8400 number at i dont see that anywhere on the spreadsheet
    Calc it out yourself. Although, when I calculate out what he's getting at (9 ticks per minute with raid haste, meta, lust) I get somewhere around 11.3k haste. Maybe hes talking about with Lifebloom? That would come out to 8500 haste.

    I've always talked about pull breakpoints for opening burst as Demo. Last tier, during progression, I almost exclusively used the 12386 breakpoint - 11 ticks per minute with berserking, lust, meta, and raid haste. Worked well for me.
    Last edited by Xyronic; 2013-09-20 at 11:45 PM.

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