1. #2341
    The last time I tried supremacy vs service was a zerg strat of first week h.nourshen for a couple pulls. The gap felt larger than the sims would predict... Then again I'm engineering/herbalism on a troll so every 2 mins (and esp w' 3min zerking) numbers get fun.

    After playing w' the 540-3 (which is up to date re nerfs) I find haste to be the new stackable stat for the demo hardcore so perhaps a decent option for an aff offspec when aff starts getting around the 13737 haste mark?

  2. #2342
    isn't 10k crit rating = 15% crit ?
    The item I'm talking about is http://www.wowhead.com/item=103987

    I was simply wondering how it looks for a council-type fight where your main throughput comes from doom-generated imps. With a mastery/haste build I sit at 27% or so crit raid buffed, so the trinket pumps it up to a 42% crit. That's almost a 50% crit chance for doom, and the ICD ensures that you will most likely always have a 15% extra crit doom rolling on a target at a given time. So, is this a viable alternative for a council-type fight? Or is raw int still the better choice?

  3. #2343
    Quote Originally Posted by Werst View Post
    The last time I tried supremacy vs service was a zerg strat of first week h.nourshen for a couple pulls. The gap felt larger than the sims would predict... Then again I'm engineering/herbalism on a troll so every 2 mins (and esp w' 3min zerking) numbers get fun.

    After playing w' the 540-3 (which is up to date re nerfs) I find haste to be the new stackable stat for the demo hardcore so perhaps a decent option for an aff offspec when aff starts getting around the 13737 haste mark?
    Why would you not go Service when zerging Norushen? You'll get two grimoire Felguards out right before 50%. Or do you mean that you usually go Supremacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Nothing changes what the OP has said, Supremacy and Service are pretty close. Only Service wins in AOE scenarios due to the double Felstorm, and does bring extra fury to the table, which is an important bonus after the hotfixes.
    Service wins on fighs with downtime as well.

  4. #2344
    Quote Originally Posted by Sinitar View Post
    With UVLS gone, how does Yu'lon's bite(the ilvl 535 timeless isle trinket with 10k crit proc) look for demonology? I haven't seen many discussions about it, but it sounds like an interesting pair for bindings, and its proc rate ensures an almost 100% uptime on a crit buffed doom.
    I'm curious of this as well. I'm looking for a trinket to replace the UVLS as soon as possible, currently have the raid finder version of it and I have my eyes on the Yu'lon's Bite. But it would be nice to know if it's actually better before I spend the time grinding out 50k coins.

  5. #2345
    For single target it may not be, but I'm especially curious about how it fares for a council-type fight where the bosses live for a prolonged time, thus allowing you to farm some imps.

  6. #2346
    @Bonkura....I am always service when demo. Tried it for a few pulls since my service FG was dying almost instantly some uses and early almost all of them. That led to some big variance pull to pull which I was trying to smooth out. If sims were to be believed the gap should be small but it wasn't between service and superiority. At least not for my setup (troll/eng/herb). Never could pin down why but it seems like the aoe reduction/avoidance thing wasn't working or something was our best guess. Hence I tried using a wrathguard for a pull or two but it was a definite loss. We killed it a few pulls later on the first week zerg (I was back service and just hoping feltardo didn't die early) then ofc this week was a cakewalk. (though I was aff this week)

    The yulon bite proc is more like 18.75% crit plus whatever crit you'd get from the 1785 static int. For the purposes of mental guesstimation I just sort of consider the trinket 20% crit vs using a non stats trinket. Then again I upgraded mine to 543ilvl 2/2 since my luck with other trinkets was pretty awful at the start.

  7. #2347
    how are you lot finding demo now , im doing ok dps finding it hard to keep up with others like druids,hunters

  8. #2348
    is it normal that fel flame hits twice as hard as touch of chaos?

    There is no need to use ToC since fel flame hits harder, and it doesnt cost any fury. I can have immolate aura going while spamming fel flame which also generates fury which allows me to have immolate aura for a long time while dpsing with fel flame.
    Last edited by Cle; 2013-09-28 at 11:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cle View Post
    is it normal that fel flame hits twice as hard as touch of chaos?

    There is no need to use ToC since fel flame hits harder, and it doesnt cost any fury. I can have immolate aura going while spamming fel flame which also generates fury which allows me to have immolate aura for a long time while dpsing with fel flame.
    Sorry what? You can't cast fel flame in demo form - it becomes void ray and uses fury.

    Can you post a video or something of you doing this?

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    I dont have void ray yet

  11. #2351
    Quote Originally Posted by Cle View Post
    I dont have void ray yet
    This is like the fourth time you've commented on high end demo playing, yet you yourself said your lock is only lvl 71. If you've played the game for any length of time, you should know leveling and max level are completely different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazda View Post
    This is like the fourth time you've commented on high end demo playing, yet you yourself said your lock is only lvl 71. If you've played the game for any length of time, you should know leveling and max level are completely different.
    Almost all of his posts I've seen are either absurd ignorance or trolls.
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  13. #2353
    Can a more knowledgeable demo lock please take a look at what has been discussed above concerning the yu'lon's bite trinket for council fights? Would love to hear if it's a good alternative to uvls or if it's just useless.

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  15. #2355
    Its not that yulon's bite isn't a good trinket for demo, its more than demo is pretty gimp post nerfs regardless of what you use. Yes, were I still playing demo I'd use it and do my best to time my DS/DF dumps during the 20 sec proc unless of course my other trinket were the amp one in which case its clearly the more powerful 20 second proc.

  16. #2356
    Picked up the Yu'lon's Bite and ran simcraft with it, it resulted in a DPS increase even on single target. So if Simcraft is to be trusted it seems to be worth picking up until you get a better one from SoO.

  17. #2357
    Demo is very usable on Malkorok HC 25, but its mostly beucase of Shadowflame splash damage on adds.

    This against aff, maybe destro better but couldnt test it.
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  18. #2358
    Whats up man. I've got a few questions at the moment any chance I could get your battle tag? So I can ask in game? It's all about destruction spec. My guilds currently 11/14 normals. Trying to maximise dps having a really hard time. Willing to make a donation on twitch for your time. Thanks bro. Pm me please.

    It's not wise to trow your tag on the internet like that unless you want to get spammed by gold sellers. Also, you can just ask your questions here on the forums, we're here to answer all of them although it might be wise to ask questions about destruction in the destruction sticky
    Last edited by Nicola; 2013-09-30 at 06:18 AM.

  19. #2359
    Considering the nerfs to demo lately, what spec is best for challenge modes at the moment? Aoe and single target used to be Demo and Aff, has it changed at all?

  20. #2360
    Can someone suggest a normal Stockpile of Pandaren Spoils setup and/or tactic for me? I'm falling behind the meters a bit since the adds die fairly quickly. For starters, I'm thinking about dropping Supremacy for either Sacrifice or Service.

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