1. #2581
    Imo. It is very difficult to play demo without 4pc. That extra fury regeneration does wonders. Even without the 15k haste I'm already finding myself very fury starved to actually maintain corruption with toc and having very little fury for soul fire burns during the next ds. Tbh don't consider demo if you are simply not geared enough.

  2. #2582
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanjn87 View Post
    Hey I have a QUESTION..
    Just starting to use WoL + Compare bot. My guild doesn't play Demo however so I have no one to compare to. Can you recommend some awesome demonology players? Particularly ones who use Demo for ST and aoe/multi target fights?
    Shinafae (Blood Legion) is really the only top level lock still playing almost exclusively demo. She's probably the top lock in the world.

  3. #2583
    I'd rather stay in meta and spend DF on soulfires w' a proc (or two) up then just manually renew corruption upon shifting back to caster. IE I'm really not sure the extra shifting and ToC's are worth it if you have MC charges to spend now that DF is tighter resource. Especially with AD there are plenty of times to insert a corruption into the rotation. If you are spending soulfires almost exclusively in meta you are in/out faster thus reducing the benefit of corr's DF contribution while you are in meta...in that if it falls off early you are not likely to be in meta for very long and if you are then you have really good reason (ie dumping soulfires w' a proc or dooming w' procs).

  4. #2584
    im playing demo more and more again but im still torn on whatis the best 2nd trinket to go with my hc bindings. ive been using 543 uvls or 574 ktt, i dont think the ktt is very good at all for it but the numbers i put out with it are very close to uvls numbers. the trinket i havnt tried is my 543 wush in the 2nd slot. ive noticed another 10man lock using wush as the 2nd trinket and putting up really big numbers. any thoughts on this?

  5. #2585
    Quote Originally Posted by weakdots View Post
    im playing demo more and more again but im still torn on whatis the best 2nd trinket to go with my hc bindings. ive been using 543 uvls or 574 ktt, i dont think the ktt is very good at all for it but the numbers i put out with it are very close to uvls numbers. the trinket i havnt tried is my 543 wush in the 2nd slot. ive noticed another 10man lock using wush as the 2nd trinket and putting up really big numbers. any thoughts on this?
    I'll be doing our 10/14H clear tonight as demo, with a 580 PBoI and 543 Wush. I'll post back here after the night is over.

    Edit: I'm sitting for many bosses in order to gear up another clothy. Guess not tonight
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  6. #2586
    got rank 1 on malkorok last lockout with Bindings + ULVLs.Acording to the logs i was extremely lucky with ulvls procs,but these pair of trinkets works best for me.Unfortunately i dont have BBoY,but KTT is trash for demo for sure,cos lots of our damage comes from pet/imps and KTT is not working with pets/guardians.
    You can check my logs here: http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/...4%D0%B6%D0%B8/

  7. #2587
    Quote Originally Posted by fujiapples View Post
    got rank 1 on malkorok last lockout with Bindings + ULVLs.Acording to the logs i was extremely lucky with ulvls procs,but these pair of trinkets works best for me.Unfortunately i dont have BBoY,but KTT is trash for demo for sure,cos lots of our damage comes from pet/imps and KTT is not working with pets/guardians.
    You can check my logs here: http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/...4%D0%B6%D0%B8/
    6 procs on Malk o.o holy damn thats some good rng
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  8. #2588
    Quote Originally Posted by fujiapples View Post
    got rank 1 on malkorok last lockout with Bindings + ULVLs.Acording to the logs i was extremely lucky with ulvls procs,but these pair of trinkets works best for me.Unfortunately i dont have BBoY,but KTT is trash for demo for sure,cos lots of our damage comes from pet/imps and KTT is not working with pets/guardians.
    You can check my logs here: http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/...4%D0%B6%D0%B8/
    Did you use KjC or AD? Sadly the logs are in Russian, I don't understand anything

  9. #2589
    I never use KjC as demo

  10. #2590
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigchipper View Post
    Shinafae (Blood Legion) is really the only top level lock still playing almost exclusively demo. She's probably the top lock in the world.
    No. Sparkuggz. Best us? Prob jellos

    I dont know what the hell I'm doing as demo but my parses are decent. You can compare bot to mine. (2nd on proraiders :, ()
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  11. #2591
    Quote Originally Posted by Rtrain View Post
    No. Sparkuggz. Best us? Prob jellos

    I dont know what the hell I'm doing as demo but my parses are decent. You can compare bot to mine. (2nd on proraiders :, ()
    I challenge the idea that the best players in the world HAVE to be in the best guilds in the world. They just have the most exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazda View Post
    I challenge the idea that the best players in the world HAVE to be in the best guilds in the world. They just have the most exposure.
    Pretty sure sparkuggz is not playing demo since the nerf.
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    Yo there,

    Are demo locks still using UVLS??

    I have Bindings and black blood (no Kardris...) and UVLS that I could swap around.

    Would be for Thok/Spoils Heroic progression.

  14. #2594
    Jelloslock was using Unerring last night when we were doing Paragons:]

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  15. #2595
    Quote Originally Posted by Mazda View Post
    I challenge the idea that the best players in the world HAVE to be in the best guilds in the world. They just have the most exposure.
    The best players are in the best guilds in the world because the best players naturally flock to those guilds. It's like saying LeBron James isn't the best player in the NBA because there's a possibility that some random African dude in Nigeria COULD be better.
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  16. #2596
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjaguar View Post
    The best players are in the best guilds in the world because the best players naturally flock to those guilds. It's like saying LeBron James isn't the best player in the NBA because there's a possibility that some random African dude in Nigeria COULD be better.
    I like to think that it's more like there is a mathematician somewhere in rural wherever who, if given the education (or gear, in this analogy), is discovered to have the most intuitive grasp on the subject that anyone has ever seen.

    Didn't really mean to get too deep into this. I just mean to say that in the last 6 years of playing, I've seen quite a few 1 day a week raiders do more in normal mode gear than heroic raiders did in that same gear. Just food for thought about the culture of the game.

  17. #2597
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjaguar View Post
    The best players are in the best guilds in the world because the best players naturally flock to those guilds. It's like saying LeBron James isn't the best player in the NBA because there's a possibility that some random African dude in Nigeria COULD be better.
    That doesn't apply to WoW. A player could be just as good as the ones in the top guild in the world, but does not wish to raid in such environments. Some people does not find that fun.

  18. #2598
    Ok so I did some quick testing the other night of the shadow bolt glyph and here is what I found. I took off any gear with a proc on it to make sure the numbers were 100% consistent across the board within each Situation.

    Unglyphed Situations (with CoE)

    A. non crit = 47.1k
    B. crit = 94.2k

    Glyphed Situations (with CoE)

    A. non crit - 3 x 15.7k = 47.1k
    B. 1 crit - 2 x 15.7k + 31.4k = 62.8k
    C. 2 crits - 1 x 15.7k + 62.8k = 78.5k
    D. 3 crits - 3 x 31.4k = 94.2k

    So just by looking at these numbers it is hard to really say whether using the glyph or not is a dps gain or a dps loss. In Situation A (glyphed and unglyphed) and Situation A (unglyphed) and Situation D (glyphed) there is no difference. It's when you get into Situations B and C (glyphed) where things can make or break you.

    My personal feelings are that I don't want to rely on Situation D (glyphed) happening to equal Situation B (unglyphed) however since I am not a math expert I cannot provide any type of follow up on whether the raw amount of situations for the glyph vs non glyph has any bearing on overall dps. RNG seems to be the only factor (as it always is) but in my short time testing and documenting these numbers I do not recall every seeing Situation D (glyphed) occur.

    I saw Situation B (glyphed) happen quite frequently and on occasion Situation C (glyphed). If you look at these numbers in terms of Situation B and C (glyphed) happening versus Situation A (unglyphed) then you could come to the conclusion that the glyph is more dps however unless you are running a destro forged set up I doubt you will ever see Situations C or D (glyphed) frequently enough to out-weigh the more often occurring Situation A (glyphed and non glyphed) and Situation B (unglyphed).

    It is worth noting that Shadow Bolt isn't a huge portion of our overall dmg on a fight as it is used as a caster form filler/fury generator and a lot of time can be spent in meta on some fights so it just makes this debate even less relevant but I thought I would just toss these numbers out so people can decide for themselves whether to use the glyph or not with some confidence in their decision.
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  19. #2599
    Quote Originally Posted by OokingDooker View Post
    That doesn't apply to WoW. A player could be just as good as the ones in the top guild in the world, but does not wish to raid in such environments. Some people does not find that fun.
    so true, yes, top guilds most likely have good locks, but good locks arent exclusive to top guilds, good locks can just as well be in a 5/14 SoO guild as they can be in a 14/14 hc guild, good players in general play in the guilds that progress and play in a way that suits them, its like saying that ppl like sparkuggz, zinnin, and shinafae suddenly becomes less skilled if they went from their current guilds (method and blood legion) to a less progressed which they clearly doesnt.

  20. #2600
    I just recently played a little with my demo lock and I'm surprised how much the lack of t15 2pc + imp/uvls nerfs have affected my funy regen. I'm sure this has been talked to death, but all I'm seeing is talk at current gear. How do you deal with this issue at lower ilvls? (527)

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