1. #2801
    High Overlord kardacz's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Any addons I can use to better follow my DoTs on the active bosses?
    Tidy Plates are great for that. The only drawback is that dots disappear when the unitframe goes off screen, but that's a system limitation.

  2. #2802
    Quote Originally Posted by kardacz View Post
    Tidy Plates are great for that. The only drawback is that dots disappear when the unitframe goes off screen, but that's a system limitation.
    I use this which is awesome under most circumstances, but position on screen, adds getting in the way and range are the shortfalls it has that I want to overcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by hypofyse View Post
    ShadowUnitFrames' boss bars are nice, you can just purge all the buffs/debuffs you dont want so you can see at a glance how your Doom is doing.
    I will try this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    I use this which is awesome under most circumstances, but position on screen, adds getting in the way and range are the shortfalls it has that I want to overcome.


    I will try this.
    +1 for ShadowUnitFrames, the whitelist/blacklist stuff is awesome.

    Raven isn't bad either, but I use it combined with SuF, because it adds a tracker like dotimer did, non-clickable list of timers by unit name - good for estimates of your #hogs ticking, etc.
    Last edited by rijn dael; 2014-02-04 at 09:35 PM.

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    I have gearing / stats questions. I'm currently raiding 10-man normal primarily as Demo and am at 560 ilvl. Hello fellow locks. I'm looking for some help increasing my dps, but I've already gotten some tips reading through the thread that I should try out before asking for specific help from my logs. However, I have a gearing conundrum. I'm currently raiding 10-man normal primarily as Demo and am at 560 ilvl. You can see my current gear and stats on the Armory:

    Faction: Alliance
    Server: Lothar (US)
    Character: Kaoskat

    I do have a full 4-piece set, but my helm is flex and my shoulders are LFR, but I do also have a normal mode tier chest. I've been running Ordos weekly and picked up the war forged helm and chest you can see in my profile . I haven't found any great information about how important the 4-piece set is for demo. It seems to me that an extra HoG proccing periodically wouldn't outweigh the better gear overall. But I'm probably wrong. So my main question is: Am I better off reverting to my flex helm and normal chest piece with the LFR shoulders and tossing the Ordos gear?

    Second question, if you'll indulge me. Am I doing my stats wrong? What I'm going for is the 13153 haste breakpoint for the extra doom tick, then mastery with crit as the lowest priority. I've read some sites that say it should be mastery > haste (to a breakpoint) > crit for demo in 5.4 and some go the other way around (notably Ask Mr Robot which says crit > haste AND mastery). So I'm a bit confused. When I tried to reforge / gem / enchant as suggested by Ask Mr Robot's default, I ended up with a ton of crit, but my dps seemed to drop precipitously. Although, to be fair, I didn't give it much of a chance. It just "felt" wrong (like slow casting, etc).

    Any help / insight would be greatly appreciated.

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    I don't recommend going for a doom point unless it is fairly close to a shadowflame breakpoint, 13153 isn't a good haste point to pick. If you aren't going up to 14.8k I would recommend going down to 8.1k

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    Quote Originally Posted by rijn dael View Post
    +1 for ShadowUnitFrames, the whitelist/blacklist stuff is awesome.

    Raven isn't bad either, but I use it combined with SuF, because it adds a tracker like dotimer did, non-clickable list of timers by unit name - good for estimates of your #hogs ticking, etc.
    Already use Raven for DoTs and minor cooldowns. Really liking SUFs functionality though, didn't take long to decide to completely replace X-Perl with it.

  7. #2807
    I was hoping to get some gearing advice...mainly stat priority. I am currently raiding heroic 25 man. 567 ilvl. I Main destro, but would really like to play demo.

    here is my armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...terlock/simple

    I have a couple pieces of gear i could sub in if the 4pc isn't necessary:
    HWF Protector's chest
    WF IJ Pants
    561 KTT - I use for destro, i know it's not currently equipped on my armory.

    My question is this... which stat priority should I go for:

    14.8k haste > mastery
    8.1k haste > mastery > haste > crit
    8.1k haste > mastery > crit

    Thanks in advance for your time and advice.

  8. #2808
    4pc is basically essential for Demo for Fury single target, and the Chaos Waves for AE. I'd stick with 8.1k haste > mastery > crit as it works better for the most fights (as Zinnin explained a couple of pages back) and because it's better for off-speccing to Destruction. In terms of trinkets, BBOY is a little ahead in theory, but I'm finding KTT is much more user friendly, especially for multidotting - my choice was between N BBOY and Hc KTT though, so your WF BBOY is probably going to be better than the normal KTT.

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    Thanks for the fast reply Jessicka, I appreciate the advice. I really am not a fan of BBOY...hate trying to time spell casts properly in the last couple seconds of proc.

  10. #2810
    It's much easier to plant a Doom than a Chaos Bolt on that last stack

  11. #2811
    lol very true...those last second LGM procs can screw you over. I kinda feel like i'm listening to lottery numbers being called out while the chaos bolt is traveling through the air.....no whammies...no whammies.... :-p

  12. #2812
    Damage is calculated on when the cast finishes, not when the projectile strikes; should help with that.

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    1. Dark Soul: Knowledge
    2. Grimoire: Felguard if talented
    3. Glyph of Imp Swarm if Glyphed
    4. Summon Doomguard

    Do i use only with trinkets and during meta phase and then normal rotation for fury build up. Is a 4-PC set mandatory for this?
    Last edited by Darkrayne2013; 2014-02-19 at 06:53 AM.

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    Is there an effective way to track 4 pc procs with weakauras or something similar? A sound effect would be awesome (although it's not like it procs very often :P, sure doesn't feel like 8%)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Signals-ZJ View Post
    Is there an effective way to track 4 pc procs with weakauras or something similar? A sound effect would be awesome (although it's not like it procs very often :P, sure doesn't feel like 8%)
    I use tellmewhen for it i can link the code for that in a sec i can prolly make a WA for it real quick if you use that

    TMW
    Code:
    ^1^T^SType^Sbuff ^SName^SEmber~`Master ^SShowTimer^B ^SEnabled^B ^t^N62602^S~`~| ^Sicon^^
    WA
    Code:
    duJVbaGEevTlKsVgryUOOzdQBIK62OQDIsTxYUf1(rI(js4VOKFtXqruAWifdxL6yQ4CczHisEmclgPQLl4HiQ8uOLPQEUIMisLPcyYk10LCrKKdRKll11rfBuKggv1Mvy7iI2gqNMsFwO(oQ03eXjrHrRkgpIuxcrXTujxdKZtvAAuzCQspJQyDeGqRqg5QdJfrZKbHjpzI3nmml8zTnCzrxZBYwIutOSfNDlCk8tRpTqc5fUfUfGWHjxOL8Ty)Dc325n8YlwlcsmfsMBHWM1wacdg4wac55axwbOsLkHEPymMDP0KVpe4RlkYtY5KC(AC5Efg6yRjd49UfAjmzH2TqhzjNWkyJJ7GaeMx89uaI9riv803bkPH61S6GkvcjnfJXSlLEbgbbbbb(DqEabpqFnUCqc5A31Jsbp(U3K)Rl6aM8F9OXLduyMdpqWgh3HPyFe(024NsPGE8H8D)e3pkkY5704YbkKWyG3gUzrkvcxcqiv803bkPH61S6Gqg5QdJfrZKbHjpzI3nmml8zTnCzrxZBYwIutOSfNDRsijf7J74Rsca
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    I think the gap between 15K haste and 8.1K haste, with and without imp swarm glyph is about 2.5K dps on 400K'ish between any permutation of them. In other words well within the noise of RNG. So seriously play what you enjoy and what works the best for your raid comp/playstyle. From what I can tell demo wants the 4pc more than 2pc with 3x HWF though its nowhere near as addicted as destro to the 4pc.

    Doom snapshots are easy...even the 500%'ish ones. Unloading those meta soulfires is trickier when mechanics don't cooperate though leap is still the most under rated dps ability demo has. ToC is more reliable so going 8100 haste > M > C > H will net better real world for stuff where you can't always plant and soulfire even though its the biggest output on paper. 15K haste feels much more fluid in terms of DF generation but you need to be able to dump those soulfires when the trinkets proc which isn't always the case when the game wants to fling poo at you at inconvenient times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinnin View Post
    I don't recommend going for a doom point unless it is fairly close to a shadowflame breakpoint, 13153 isn't a good haste point to pick. If you aren't going up to 14.8k I would recommend going down to 8.1k
    Your armory has you right below that 8064 tick. :P


    What's people's opinion on BBoY vs KTT in a raid environment? I feel BBoY can be punishing during movement with Meta CD from Shadowflame snapdotting and casting proper amount of Soul Fires (>4) with movement. Also Doom being as clunky as always it feels odd to play BBoY just for that reason. I know BBoY wins on paper by a big margin but it might lose value to KTT in practice just like how ppl don't like using BBoY as Destro.

    I guess I'm mostly curious how people actually handle BBoY procs as Demo. ^^;;
    Last edited by Bonkura; 2014-03-09 at 02:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonkura View Post
    Your armory has you right below that 8064 tick. :P
    Was in the middle of switching some gear around, then I got lazy and logged off hah

  20. #2820
    Hey guys, long time lurker first time poster. Im currently a 568 ilvl demo lock looking to improve my DPS. I haven't been able to record my own logs so I have been fortunate that I have been able to get in pugs that record and post public logs.

    Previously, I had noticed that my doom and corruption uptime was very low so I have been working to improve uptime's and maintaining buffed corruptions and reapplying doom with nice procs (with the use of aff dots of course.). I have also made improvements to my UI to utilize WA's to show DS:K duration as well as 2-set bonus procs, and LMG and jade spirit activations.

    Since I am unable to post logs quite yet, you can find a few recent attempts at 568 ilvl in a recent 25N pug i was in with Grand Illusion -Mal'Ganis US. I had never done 25 man before so it was definitely a slight change for me


    If someone could perhaps look over some of these logs and perhaps fill me in on what else I could improve on?


    I have had a very difficult time transitioning to destro this tier and decided its much better for me to improve on a spec I enjoy to play rather than try to learn something new. I'd appreciate any advice on ways to improve; thank you in advance!

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