[5.4] Demonology Warlock Guide

[Count Zero]

So, last night I was farming Zandalaris (Warscouts and Warbringers), and for one Scout that I just absolutely crushed, I noticed in my recount parse that every tick of my Wrathguard's Wrathstorm crit.

It did nearly a million damage (I think some of the ticks hit a Sprite Darter, but it went down almost instantly so it didn't take the whole thing).

This got me to thinking about UVLS and other procs affecting our pets, since they do inherit our stats. The only proc I specifically remember up was UVLS, although I think both my meta gem and SPA trink were up (it would have needed a ton of haste to get every tick of Wrathstorm inside the UVLS window).

I know sitting on Wrath/Fel-storm for UVLS procs for too long is probably a waste/loss, but if it typically procs during your opener I think it'd be beneficial to hold off on it until it does proc at least for the first one. I'll have to do some testing to see if Wrath/Fel-storm are actually affected by haste ... I've never really thought about it affecting anything other than energy regen and white attacks. From what I recall of my tooltip it just says 6 seconds, and I find it hard to imagine I'm at a specific amount of haste that brings it to a flat six seconds. I'll look into it more.

Edit/update:

Well after just a couple quick tests, yeah, UVLS does affect Wrath/Fel-storm, but I didn't think haste affects how many ticks go out. And on that Scout I must have got lucky last night because UVLS lasts only for about 2/3 of the 'Storm. But it does anywhere from about 50% more to twice as much damage if you do it during UVLS, just from my dummy tests. Good to know.

[Zinnin]

Does anyone know if MF increases the radius of Fel/Wrathguard's Fel/Wrathstorm? I know it increases Infernal impact radius, but I wasn't sure about our pets.

Infernal impact is actually your spell and not your infernal's, that is why it is effected. Pet AoE is not effected.

[Mazda]

Infernal impact is actually your spell and not your infernal's, that is why it is effected. Pet AoE is not effected.

Interesting. Thank you.

---------- Post added 2013-06-03 at 05:40 PM ----------

Has anyone done the math on the threshold for # of targets where GoSac pet twisting is worth it as Demo? I'm almost positive it is on Council, but not sure about single target.

[Surutcra]

With UVLS I think you should keep your pet sac'ed on council, considering the amount of imps that are going to be out (and benefit of sac).

[Mazda]

With UVLS I think you should keep your pet sac'ed on council, considering the amount of imps that are going to be out (and benefit of sac).

I already know that it's worth it on council. 1 gcd + 6 sec felstorm > 7.5 seconds of 25% buffed wild imps. (assuming I hit more than 1 target with felstorm)

I'm planning to try it tonight, so i'll put up a comparebot of it with my previous kill (which I think is around 334k)

[Cocobutters]

I don't believe this. We had like 270 wipes on HC Lei Shen and 95% of time when we waited +3mins after wipe the trinkets procced. Dunno if you know that if you release after wipe and run, it resets the RPPM timer when you enter the zone.

I have a while ago, so I never ran back. No reason not to belive me.

[Bloodfire]

The hardcap for haste is about 45-50% and later stats go to mastery?

[TyrantWave]

Just a quick curiosity - I know after getting UVLS haste is king, but before that is it better to go for the 2585 breakpoint (As a goblin) or the 7600 breakpoint, then into mastery?

I've been using the lower one so far, and the extra mastery is decent for AoE, but if the haste would be worth going for I may just do that.

[Deleted]

Just a quick curiosity - I know after getting UVLS haste is king, but before that is it better to go for the 2585 breakpoint (As a goblin) or the 7600 breakpoint, then into mastery?

I've been using the lower one so far, and the extra mastery is decent for AoE, but if the haste would be worth going for I may just do that.

That totally depends on your current gear. If you can get 7600 haste without losing too much mastery (5000+ mastery at least) it is definitely worth it.

As always: Simulating your toon with Simcraft should give you a pretty good idea which solution is the better one.

[Xploit]

Something is doing my head in.

Coined Vita-Binder belt from Ra-den, which I'm not a fan of. Currently using Ji-kun belt, non-Thunderforged, just Heroic. Both upgraded.

Voice of reason in me is inclined to say that the Hit/Haste combo from Ji-ku belt would far outweigh the minuscule Int gain from the increased ilvl of the Ra-den belt, however Sims is showing the Ra-den belt as being 800 DPS higher. Not sure what to think.

Makes no sense that losing all that haste would be outweighed by the tiny Intellect boost and Crit rating.

[Brusalk]

Something is doing my head in.

Coined Vita-Binder belt from Ra-den, which I'm not a fan of. Currently using Ji-kun belt, non-Thunderforged, just Heroic. Both upgraded.

Voice of reason in me is inclined to say that the Hit/Haste combo from Ji-ku belt would far outweigh the minuscule Int gain from the increased ilvl of the Ra-den belt, however Sims is showing the Ra-den belt as being 800 DPS higher. Not sure what to think.

Makes no sense that losing all that haste would be outweighed by the tiny Intellect boost and Crit rating.

Do you have UVLS? Without it crit is king and it wouldn't be surprising.

[Rustjive]

Something is doing my head in.

Coined Vita-Binder belt from Ra-den, which I'm not a fan of. Currently using Ji-kun belt, non-Thunderforged, just Heroic. Both upgraded.

Voice of reason in me is inclined to say that the Hit/Haste combo from Ji-ku belt would far outweigh the minuscule Int gain from the increased ilvl of the Ra-den belt, however Sims is showing the Ra-den belt as being 800 DPS higher. Not sure what to think.

Makes no sense that losing all that haste would be outweighed by the tiny Intellect boost and Crit rating.

I don't get that result when I sim your gear. Simming w/ Vita-Binder I get: 231675, simming w/ your Armory I get: 232668.

Here are the profiles:

warlock=xploit_vita
level=90
race=troll
role=spell
spec=demonology
professions=Enchanting=600/Engineering=600
talents=231233
glyphs=siphon_life/imp_swarm/everlasting_affliction

waist=vitabinder_wrap,id=94996,stats=1504armor_1329int_2233sta_736hit_1010crit,gems=160haste_160hit_160haste_160hit_320haste_120int,reforge=crit_haste
finger1=radens_summoning_band,id=95019,stats=1036int_1675sta_554hit_803haste,gems=160haste_160hit_60int,enchant=160int
wrists=frostborn_wristwraps,id=96452,stats=1150armor_975int_1583sta_1045mastery,gems=320haste_60int,enchant=180int,reforge=mastery_haste
trinket1=breath_of_the_hydra,id=96455,upgrade=2
chest=robes_of_mutagenic_blood,id=96503,stats=2570armor_1599int_2639sta_1128crit_1035haste,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160haste_120int,enchant=80all,reforge=crit_mastery
finger2=roshaks_remembrance,id=96529,stats=900int_1471sta_703crit_478mastery,gems=160haste_160hit_60haste,enchant=160int,reforge=crit_haste
main_hand=suenwo_spire_of_the_falling_sun,id=96539,stats=1815int_2843sta_1339haste_10856sp_1045mastery,gems=80int_160haste_320haste_60int,enchant=jade_spirit,weapon=staff_3.3speed_9138min_13709max
trinket2=unerring_vision_of_lei_shen,id=96558,upgrade=2
hands=gloves_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=96725,stats=1606armor_1227int_1960sta_796crit_849mastery,gems=160exp_160haste_60int,enchant=170haste,reforge=crit_haste,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii
head=hood_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=96726,stats=2136armor_1655int_2843sta_1181hit_1081haste,gems=sinister_primal_320haste_180crit,reforge=hit_mastery
legs=leggings_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=96727,stats=2248armor_1599int_2639sta_1201crit_937haste,gems=320haste_160haste_160hit_120int,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=crit_mastery
shoulders=mantle_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=96729,stats=1972armor_1248int_2112sta_812crit_886haste,gems=80int_160haste_320haste_120haste,enchant=200int_100crit,reforge=crit_mastery
neck=megaeras_shining_eye,id=96825,stats=1116int_1675sta_744hit_744crit,reforge=crit_haste
feet=damrens_frozen_footguards,id=96900,stats=1838armor_1409int_2233sta_823hit_1033haste,gems=80int_160haste_60haste,enchant=140mastery
back=jadefire_drape,id=98150,stats=1555armor_1855int_2902sta_991crit_991haste_991mastery,gems=80int_160haste_60int,enchant=180hit,reforge=crit_hit

default_pet=felguard

Armory:

warlock=xploit_original
level=90
race=troll
role=spell
spec=demonology
professions=Engineering=600/Enchanting=600
talents=231233
glyphs=siphon_life/everlasting_affliction/imp_swarm

head=hood_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=96726,stats=2136armor_1655int_2843sta_1181hit_1081haste,gems=sinister_primal_320haste_180crit,reforge=hit_mastery
neck=megaeras_shining_eye,id=96825,stats=1116int_1675sta_744hit_744crit,reforge=crit_haste
shoulders=mantle_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=96729,stats=1972armor_1248int_2112sta_812crit_886haste,gems=80int_160haste_320haste_120haste,enchant=200int_100crit,reforge=crit_hit
chest=robes_of_mutagenic_blood,id=96503,stats=2570armor_1599int_2639sta_1128crit_1035haste,gems=160exp_160haste_160exp_160haste_120int,enchant=80all,reforge=crit_mastery
waist=cord_of_cacophonous_cawing,id=96462,stats=1479armor_1248int_2112sta_927hit_743haste,gems=80int_160haste_320haste_320haste_120haste
legs=leggings_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=96727,stats=2248armor_1599int_2639sta_1201crit_937haste,gems=320haste_160haste_160hit_120int,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=crit_mastery
feet=damrens_frozen_footguards,id=96900,stats=1838armor_1409int_2233sta_823hit_1033haste,gems=80int_160haste_60haste,enchant=140mastery,reforge=hit_mastery
wrists=frostborn_wristwraps,id=96452,stats=1150armor_975int_1583sta_1045mastery,gems=320haste_60int,enchant=180int,reforge=mastery_haste
hands=gloves_of_the_thousandfold_hells,id=96725,stats=1606armor_1227int_1960sta_796crit_849mastery,gems=160exp_160haste_60int,enchant=170haste,reforge=crit_haste,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii
finger1=radens_summoning_band,id=95019,stats=1036int_1675sta_554hit_803haste,gems=160haste_160hit_60int,enchant=160int
finger2=roshaks_remembrance,id=96529,stats=900int_1471sta_703crit_478mastery,gems=160haste_160hit_60haste,enchant=160int,reforge=crit_haste
trinket1=breath_of_the_hydra,id=96455,upgrade=2
trinket2=unerring_vision_of_lei_shen,id=96558,upgrade=2
back=jadefire_drape,id=98150,stats=1555armor_1855int_2902sta_991crit_991haste_991mastery,gems=80int_160haste_60int,enchant=180int,reforge=crit_hit
main_hand=suenwo_spire_of_the_falling_sun,id=96539,stats=1815int_2843sta_1339haste_10856sp_1045mastery,gems=80int_160haste_320haste_60int,enchant=jade_spirit,weapon=staff_3.3speed_9138min_13709max

default_pet=felguard

[Xploit]

Do you have UVLS? Without it crit is king and it wouldn't be surprising.

Yes, with UVLS.

I don't get that result when I sim your gear. Simming w/ Vita-Binder I get: 231675, simming w/ your Armory I get: 232668.

Strange, not sure why we're having conflicting results. But I'm inclined to say your results are correct, since mine don't make any sense. Thanks.

[Oohwakamuu]

Question for you guys. Are you all using Soulfire in demon form during execute but without Dark Soul up? (Assume that the boss won't die within the next 20 seconds or so. I know that ideally, I end fights at 0 fury)

Or does the answer depend on Grimore Sacrifice vs. Service/Supremacy?

[Zinnin]

For the people that have waited since 5.1 for my promise of making video guides I have news, the first of my terribly edited guides is finished!



Please let me know what you think of it, and what you would like to see in future guides. Now that I have a better idea what I'm doing I might be more inclined to actually do more.

[Cyner]

For the people that have waited since 5.1 for my promise of making video guides I have news, the first of my terribly edited guides is finished!

I love your video, but more importantly, can you tell Depravity that i miss him terribly and he should come back. Thx woosh woosh

[evertonbelmontt]

ROFL

"FUCKING DOOM MAAAAAAAN"

LOL'd hahah
Keep doing these guides, they're great.

[Atlasgrudge]

Please let me know what you think of it, and what you would like to see in future guides. Now that I have a better idea what I'm doing I might be more inclined to actually do more.

Definitely looks like I'll be using this video as a primer when my guild progresses to H Megaera. The insight is much appreciated. I know this probably isn't necessarily the kind of response you were wanting for this, but I have to ask: what addon is it that you're using to display the texture on the right hand side of your screen when you're in meta form? I want to assume it's Weakauras, but I'm not sure. Care to share how we could set something like that up? I've been looking for something of that nature to make it a little more obvious to me when I'm in meta form and I'd love to play around with that. Thanks in advance!

[Teye]

Dude, I fucking love that Weak Aura. I still used it up until I stopped playing.

[Sifonology]

It was an awesome guide, thank you for efford but I have one question. Which addon do you use for aura bars on your boss frames?