[5.4] Demonology Warlock Guide

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got rank 1 on malkorok last lockout with Bindings + ULVLs.Acording to the logs i was extremely lucky with ulvls procs,but these pair of trinkets works best for me.Unfortunately i dont have BBoY,but KTT is trash for demo for sure,cos lots of our damage comes from pet/imps and KTT is not working with pets/guardians.
You can check my logs here: http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/...4%D0%B6%D0%B8/

6 procs on Malk o.o holy damn thats some good rng

[Deleted]

got rank 1 on malkorok last lockout with Bindings + ULVLs.Acording to the logs i was extremely lucky with ulvls procs,but these pair of trinkets works best for me.Unfortunately i dont have BBoY,but KTT is trash for demo for sure,cos lots of our damage comes from pet/imps and KTT is not working with pets/guardians.
You can check my logs here: http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/...4%D0%B6%D0%B8/

Did you use KjC or AD? Sadly the logs are in Russian, I don't understand anything

[fujiapples]

I never use KjC as demo

[Rtrain]

Shinafae (Blood Legion) is really the only top level lock still playing almost exclusively demo. She's probably the top lock in the world.

No. Sparkuggz. Best us? Prob jellos

I dont know what the hell I'm doing as demo but my parses are decent. You can compare bot to mine. (2nd on proraiders :, ()

[Mazda]

No. Sparkuggz. Best us? Prob jellos

I dont know what the hell I'm doing as demo but my parses are decent. You can compare bot to mine. (2nd on proraiders :, ()

I challenge the idea that the best players in the world HAVE to be in the best guilds in the world. They just have the most exposure.

[Chrispotter]

I challenge the idea that the best players in the world HAVE to be in the best guilds in the world. They just have the most exposure.

Pretty sure sparkuggz is not playing demo since the nerf.

[Hugginz]

Yo there,

Are demo locks still using UVLS??

I have Bindings and black blood (no Kardris...) and UVLS that I could swap around.

Would be for Thok/Spoils Heroic progression.

[nightrianna]

Jelloslock was using Unerring last night when we were doing Paragons:]

[Jetjaguar]

I challenge the idea that the best players in the world HAVE to be in the best guilds in the world. They just have the most exposure.

The best players are in the best guilds in the world because the best players naturally flock to those guilds. It's like saying LeBron James isn't the best player in the NBA because there's a possibility that some random African dude in Nigeria COULD be better.

[Mazda]

The best players are in the best guilds in the world because the best players naturally flock to those guilds. It's like saying LeBron James isn't the best player in the NBA because there's a possibility that some random African dude in Nigeria COULD be better.

I like to think that it's more like there is a mathematician somewhere in rural wherever who, if given the education (or gear, in this analogy), is discovered to have the most intuitive grasp on the subject that anyone has ever seen.

Didn't really mean to get too deep into this. I just mean to say that in the last 6 years of playing, I've seen quite a few 1 day a week raiders do more in normal mode gear than heroic raiders did in that same gear. Just food for thought about the culture of the game.

[OokingDooker]

The best players are in the best guilds in the world because the best players naturally flock to those guilds. It's like saying LeBron James isn't the best player in the NBA because there's a possibility that some random African dude in Nigeria COULD be better.

That doesn't apply to WoW. A player could be just as good as the ones in the top guild in the world, but does not wish to raid in such environments. Some people does not find that fun.

[Betrayerx]

Ok so I did some quick testing the other night of the shadow bolt glyph and here is what I found. I took off any gear with a proc on it to make sure the numbers were 100% consistent across the board within each Situation.

Unglyphed Situations (with CoE)

A. non crit = 47.1k
B. crit = 94.2k

Glyphed Situations (with CoE)

A. non crit - 3 x 15.7k = 47.1k
B. 1 crit - 2 x 15.7k + 31.4k = 62.8k
C. 2 crits - 1 x 15.7k + 62.8k = 78.5k
D. 3 crits - 3 x 31.4k = 94.2k

So just by looking at these numbers it is hard to really say whether using the glyph or not is a dps gain or a dps loss. In Situation A (glyphed and unglyphed) and Situation A (unglyphed) and Situation D (glyphed) there is no difference. It's when you get into Situations B and C (glyphed) where things can make or break you.

My personal feelings are that I don't want to rely on Situation D (glyphed) happening to equal Situation B (unglyphed) however since I am not a math expert I cannot provide any type of follow up on whether the raw amount of situations for the glyph vs non glyph has any bearing on overall dps. RNG seems to be the only factor (as it always is) but in my short time testing and documenting these numbers I do not recall every seeing Situation D (glyphed) occur.

I saw Situation B (glyphed) happen quite frequently and on occasion Situation C (glyphed). If you look at these numbers in terms of Situation B and C (glyphed) happening versus Situation A (unglyphed) then you could come to the conclusion that the glyph is more dps however unless you are running a destro forged set up I doubt you will ever see Situations C or D (glyphed) frequently enough to out-weigh the more often occurring Situation A (glyphed and non glyphed) and Situation B (unglyphed).

It is worth noting that Shadow Bolt isn't a huge portion of our overall dmg on a fight as it is used as a caster form filler/fury generator and a lot of time can be spent in meta on some fights so it just makes this debate even less relevant but I thought I would just toss these numbers out so people can decide for themselves whether to use the glyph or not with some confidence in their decision.

[Deleted]

That doesn't apply to WoW. A player could be just as good as the ones in the top guild in the world, but does not wish to raid in such environments. Some people does not find that fun.

so true, yes, top guilds most likely have good locks, but good locks arent exclusive to top guilds, good locks can just as well be in a 5/14 SoO guild as they can be in a 14/14 hc guild, good players in general play in the guilds that progress and play in a way that suits them, its like saying that ppl like sparkuggz, zinnin, and shinafae suddenly becomes less skilled if they went from their current guilds (method and blood legion) to a less progressed which they clearly doesnt.

[Taninsam]

I just recently played a little with my demo lock and I'm surprised how much the lack of t15 2pc + imp/uvls nerfs have affected my funy regen. I'm sure this has been talked to death, but all I'm seeing is talk at current gear. How do you deal with this issue at lower ilvls? (527)

[weakdots]

I just recently played a little with my demo lock and I'm surprised how much the lack of t15 2pc + imp/uvls nerfs have affected my funy regen. I'm sure this has been talked to death, but all I'm seeing is talk at current gear. How do you deal with this issue at lower ilvls? (527)

basically.... you dont

@ that ilvl you could use it pretty much on protectors and klaxxi only. even then i dont see a reason

[Killem]

Ok so I did some quick testing the other night of the shadow bolt glyph and here is what I found. [...].

Just to throw in the weak law of large numbers.
Damage stays the same, but is more "smooth".

I do not have the time, to explain this in detail right now, but the only thing this glyph changes is, that you have 3x more events with 1/3 strength.
If n is the number of Shadow Bolts cast and you let n grow to infinity, than the damage with and without the glyph converges in probability against the same expected value.

More details for people interested in math: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_...mbers#Weak_law

Funny how this old discussion gets warmed up from time to time.

[xskarma]

Funny how this old discussion gets warmed up from time to time.

It's like the Imp + Glyph of Demon training. Every so often someone "discovers" it, and comes to the forums to present his awesome find. Can't help that for some people this stuff is still new territory, not everyone was a Warlock for the entirity of Mists, or stayed with the game throughout. For as long as these glyphs are in the game we will be explaining their effects every so often.

[Chrispotter]

It's like the Imp + Glyph of Demon training. Every so often someone "discovers" it, and comes to the forums to present his awesome find. Can't help that for some people this stuff is still new territory, not everyone was a Warlock for the entirity of Mists, or stayed with the game throughout. For as long as these glyphs are in the game we will be explaining their effects every so often.

I think it would be funny if Blizzard did a secret hotfix that actually made Glyph of Demon Training a dps increase, and trolled everyone xD.

[Werst]

Tanisam, basically at lower ilvls you go destro IF results are really important to you. Demo gains ground back as ilvls get well into heroic (570+) where it technically outpaces aff and stays close to destro (albeit a higher skillcap). If you can get a black blood dooming at 10x stacks is nearly as potent as UVLS was. Amp is also quite good with demo for its 20 sec proc that can easily be lined up with darksoul (esp w' AD which you should be using as demo).

The new sexy buff for demo is the 2pcT16. If you can roll it with T15x2 heroic while gearing up do so but otherwise aim for 4xT16. I'd highly recommend using Zinn's sheet to get some hard data on which spells to use when in regards to gain/cost/etc. However by most accounts until you gear up you'll just do more (and certainly for less effort) as destro. I've played demo at 15K haste for the shadowflame breakpoint and it does make DF generation quite a bit nicer but you will not be able to reach that without heavy handed tactics for awhile so until then I recommend the more standard 8097 haste > mastery (for os dest) > haste = crit.

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

So i need heroic gear for demo to perform well?
Its kinda weird to be honest.