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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinnin View Post
    Just quick example of that filled out my toon would be:

    (((912 + 43587.306) * 2.1 ) * 1.2156 ) * 1.3442 or 2.0327 for Meta
    yeh just worked it out ty ^^.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinnin View Post
    So quick breakdown on a random opener for me:
    I assume cutting SBs doesn't affect meta uptime too much with reduced fury costs in the opener?
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    I prefer to use GoServ/DS before going into meta, waiting until meta to pop DS (after a few seconds of DPS uptime) usually causes my second Expanded Mind to proc before DS comes off CD.

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    Demonology's Simcraft profile made a jump with recent changes. Not sure what exactly was changed but the priority list is a lot neater.

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    So Im growing extremely bored with destru and I want to try working demo again. I have geared destru with mastery>>crit>haste (next to none, 3k'ish) and Im wondering if this is viable to roll demo or if i should swap in some mastery/haste peices (553 gear) and go for haste bp's and mastery. Im at 574 ilvl with KTT and PBoI normal 4/4

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    Hey everyone! I'm trying to level a Demonology warlock, I heard it's best leveling spec. Any tips? What's the rotation? It's level 22 right now, I was playing in Cata but got bored and now I think I'll try once more to level it.(My felguard is missing!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    Hey everyone! I'm trying to level a Demonology warlock, I heard it's best leveling spec. Any tips? What's the rotation? It's level 22 right now, I was playing in Cata but got bored and now I think I'll try once more to level it.(My felguard is missing!)
    Try reading the first post of this thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinnin View Post
    Try reading the first post of this thread...
    Well, I think that PvE and Leveling are really different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    Well, I think that PvE and Leveling are really different things.
    Leveling is PvE. Though honestly leveling as Demo is mash SB with a pet out until you get ToC then you can basically stay in Meta the whole time with the glyph that gives fury back on KB. And use HoG, a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    Well, I think that PvE and Leveling are really different things.
    Yeah, but, for the most part it's usually a good starting point to look at any existing guides, and try to extrapolate from there. Probably would have better received if that person had indicated they'd checked out the guide and asked whether just literally dropping what abilities they don't have access to is the way to go

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    Over the next few days I will be updating the following post to be in line with 6.0 Demonology. Keep in mind that since the beta is constantly changing there may be some info that is not entirely correct, however for players venturing into Raid testing and other beta ventures this will be a good place to start.

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post19780771

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    For current 5.4 / Live:

    Do you get more Molten Core stacks by using Hand of Gul'dan instead of Chaos Wave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovestar View Post
    For current 5.4 / Live:

    Do you get more Molten Core stacks by using Hand of Gul'dan instead of Chaos Wave?
    Yes. You get 0 MC procs from Chaos Wave. MC procs are from either Imps or HoG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woz View Post
    Yes. You get 0 MC procs from Chaos Wave. MC procs are from either Imps or HoG.
    Chaos Wave gives 1 MC proc afaik. Whenever it procs from 4pc I get a stack.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Woz View Post
    Yes. You get 0 MC procs from Chaos Wave. MC procs are from either Imps or HoG.
    The in-game tooltip on the Metamorphosis: Chaos Wave (passive) says "Chaos Wave has a 100% chance to trigger Molten Core".

    But is that only 1 time per Chaos Wave? That's what I'm trying to figure out, if you end up with more stacks through HoG ticks or Chaos Wave. Since one is a guarantee, and the other is a % proc chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovestar View Post
    The in-game tooltip on the Metamorphosis: Chaos Wave (passive) says "Chaos Wave has a 100% chance to trigger Molten Core".

    But is that only 1 time per Chaos Wave? That's what I'm trying to figure out, if you end up with more stacks through HoG ticks or Chaos Wave. Since one is a guarantee, and the other is a % proc chance.
    It is only 1 per Chaos Wave. Hit 5 targets with CW, you still get 1 MC proc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidsteel View Post
    It is only 1 per Chaos Wave. Hit 5 targets with CW, you still get 1 MC proc.
    OK, thank you. I wasn't sure if there was some weird scaling formula behind the scenes that was tuning down my procs due to the huge pull sizes in leveling dungeons.

    Does that mean that on multiple targets you're almost certain to get more MC stacks from HoG? I'm not sure how the 8% chance per tick compares against 1 guaranteed proc per 15s, or if MC has any kind of ICD.

    I'm asking about this because while leveling in DF I have to maximize burst and nothing else. Both Chaos Wave and Soul Fire help me do this. But if using Chaos Wave costs me MC stacks then I'd change tactic and just avoid CW entirely, because MC Soul Fire is crucial to maintaining my DPS between Metas in these ultra-fast environments.

    (I know, I know — "Just hit 90". But I'm having fun pushing Demo as hard as I can while leveling, it's very challenging vs. simpler specs... and tanks )

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    Yes sorry, I dont ever think of Chaos Wave with MC procs since you will pretty much never use it. If the Shadowflame is able to tick the full duration it should hive you more than one MC proc, especially on packs of groups.

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    I like to use HoG to get more Demonic Fury. It's a very useful resource.

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    Gonna mess around with Demo next reset, any quick pointers on my reforging?

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