Fix My DK DPS v1 - Thread broken, see v2 in the stickies

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The actual difference, except for the desyncing of runes, between macro'd and unmacro'd BT is so small that really it isn't worth the added attention for most as it will end up as a loss when you add in all the things you're doing on top of it.
Also we are talking about Unholy right? Except with Spoony's very very strict BT conditions RC is the better talent atm, if you take his very strict BT unmacro'd priorety list then it becomes better. However either way, RE is last for Unholy. It has been, for a long time.

Desynched runes is a pretty big deal in itself, but macroing it also causes you to waste a Death rune approximately half the time, and wasting 2 death runes effectively makes you trade 2 Scourge Strikes for 1 Festering Strike, which as you can tell is quite a DPS loss.

As far as I'm concerned, if you're too lazy to learn to use Blood Tap properly you should just use one of the other passive talents, namely gaming with Runic Empowerment.

[Lukazor]

I'm just interested to know if my DPS is where it should be. So I've been my guilds main tank since the end of WotLK and rarely ventured into the realms of DPS! But, for this expansion some other guildies want to give tanking a go so I'm going to primarily be a DPS.

Playing Unholy, current ilvl 635.
Here's my armory http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...lybeans/simple

Currently in 5 mans, single target boss DPS blowing all CD's including Army I can push just over 19k. Without using Army and Gargoyle, got to the next boss with both on CD, I got as high as just over 15k.

Is this about right for my current gear level or should it potentially be a bit higher? Playing heroic 5 mans mostly with a ret pala whos pulling 21k single target and a frost mage who seems to pull around 20-21k.

Cheer guys!

[Deleted]

Hi! I'm fairly new to running my DK as my main, the swap being sometime in late SoO, and I was wondering if anyone would be so to kind as to give my armory a quick once over, point out any obvious upgrades/cockups that I can fix before Wednesday raid.
/tarren-mill/Mione. (Can't post links)

Finding the spec to play mechanically fine, and the only talent I do not want to touch is blood tap as I find it very unpleasant and clunky to play with. Dark Sim abuse aside doing between 25-28k on hc bosses, with peaks and troughs beyond that, buff and cd dependant. But otherwise I'm open to suggestions! Thanks in advance.

[Deleted]

Hi! I'm fairly new to running my DK as my main, the swap being sometime in late SoO, and I was wondering if anyone would be so to kind as to give my armory a quick once over, point out any obvious upgrades/cockups that I can fix before Wednesday raid.
/tarren-mill/Mione. (Can't post links)

Finding the spec to play mechanically fine, and the only talent I do not want to touch is blood tap as I find it very unpleasant and clunky to play with. Dark Sim abuse aside doing between 25-28k on hc bosses, with peaks and troughs beyond that, buff and cd dependant. But otherwise I'm open to suggestions! Thanks in advance.

Just showing off, aren't ya? :P Nothing to fix there, good luck trying to find a better weapon by Wednesday though.

[Deleted]

Ha not so much showing off, been fairly lucky with loot/craftables, but still its nice to get a second opinion. Dont want to be missing out on something obvious.
Whats the consensus now on using a pseudo-Endless Breath build, with Icy runes CoI spam during Bloodlust and prepot etc, but back to regular unholy outside of burst?

[Eklypto]

Are the rotations for Unholy currently on noxxic/icy veins accurate?

From my understanding there is a rough SS to FS ratio iirc of 2:1 and when dealing with additional adds of 2+ its a DPS gain to do a blood boil spam.

I am semi new to Unholy and just trying to get used to the rotation and general tips/tricks, spend the last 2 expansions tanking as Blood so never got much chance to actually focus on DPS.

[Deleted]

Hello,
We had yesterday raid in Higmaul and i checked my DPS . I think is possible to do more DPS with my gear but i dont know what i do wrong :/ ,
Used rotation : HB, when killing machine proc used FS , SR not used so much (but i think this is not main problem)
Linkt to armory : eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/wildhammer/Giliead/simple
link to warcraft logs : warcraftlogs.com/reports/6NpvjfPGqmZaFw8t

Thanks everyone for help.

[Nedjen]

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...xxani/advanced
Spec: Unholy
World of Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...h=true&boss=-2
Question : So, the DK in question is Jaxxani, a friend of mine. Now, I know nothing about DKs but want to help him badly. I believe he's doing considerably less than what he could be doing, and want to help him improve as much as possible. He had to leave before Brackenspore, so he wasn't in for that fight, and he also died pretty early on The Butcher, so I'd say the good "judgeable" fights would be Kargath and Tectus.

Besides not using Potions (which I will tell him to for tonight), what can he do to improve? Is there something blatantly wrong with his setup, ability usage or damage breakdown? This is his new main for this xpac, so he's obviously not a master yet. But need him to improve asap!

[Eklypto]

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...xxani/advanced
Spec: Unholy
World of Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...h=true&boss=-2
Question : So, the DK in question is Jaxxani, a friend of mine. Now, I know nothing about DKs but want to help him badly. I believe he's doing considerably less than what he could be doing, and want to help him improve as much as possible. He had to leave before Brackenspore, so he wasn't in for that fight, and he also died pretty early on The Butcher, so I'd say the good "judgeable" fights would be Kargath and Tectus.

Besides not using Potions (which I will tell him to for tonight), what can he do to improve? Is there something blatantly wrong with his setup, ability usage or damage breakdown? This is his new main for this xpac, so he's obviously not a master yet. But need him to improve asap!

I am by no means a pro with unholy yet myself and still working on improving, but from looking over his gear alone he has a lot of wasted secondary stats. Right now Unholy is Str > Multi > Mastery as the top 3, your friend has a lot of Haste and Versatility which as the bottom 2.

On Tectus he used Icy Touch....which really he should never need to use since Plague Strike applies both diseases.
He only put down Defile 11 times in a 7 1/2 min fight.
Tectus is pretty add heavy throughout the fight especially after splits occur, he should be utilizing blood boil more frequently.

I am sure someone with more insight can dig through it more depth. But these are things I noticed right away.

[Ideadwork]

Hey Guys,

Just looking for a few pointers as this is my first time as DPS DK main. I know I was not pre-potting and using a good flask the whole night in the below log, but anything else is fair game.

Character - Ideadwork
WarcraftLogs - warcraftlogs.com/reports/hJCfrLv3mgqcbHxW
Armory - us.battle.net/wow/en/character/garona/Ideadwork/simple

Thanks in Advance,

Work

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On Tectus he used Icy Touch....which really he should never need to use since Plague Strike applies both diseases.
He only put down Defile 11 times in a 7 1/2 min fight.
Tectus is pretty add heavy throughout the fight especially after splits occur, he should be utilizing blood boil more frequently.

I am sure someone with more insight can dig through it more depth. But these are things I noticed right away.

If you are in aoe mode, don't you use icy touch to convert your frost runes to death for more blood boil spam? Maybe I'm wrong, my damage has been pretty poor compared to our other unholy. I took out all damage except Icy Touch and Blood Boil and they do generally coincide, apart from a couple of rogue IT around 4mins.

[Deleted]

If you are in aoe mode, don't you use icy touch to convert your frost runes to death for more blood boil spam? Maybe I'm wrong, my damage has been pretty poor compared to our other unholy. I took out all damage except Icy Touch and Blood Boil and they do generally coincide, apart from a couple of rogue IT around 4mins.

Only if you mess up the preparations. You convert your frost (and blood) runes to death runes with a couple of initial Festering Strikes and then they should stay death runes as long as you spend them on Blood Boil and not anything else. I don't even have Icy Touch on my bars.

[Nedjen]

Thanks for the insight guys, here are the logs from yesterday, if it helps any more.

He was on the first batch of people to be sat on The Butcher, and it felt lame having to bench a friend. (It also seems like we're way more casul than expected! filthy casuls!)

Warcraftlogs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wrFa912b7XBtMJfH
Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...xxani/advanced
Spec: Unholy

[Thaif]

Thanks for the insight guys, here are the logs from yesterday, if it helps any more.

He was on the first batch of people to be sat on The Butcher, and it felt lame having to bench a friend. (It also seems like we're way more casul than expected! filthy casuls!)

Warcraftlogs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wrFa912b7XBtMJfH
Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...xxani/advanced
Spec: Unholy

Hey Nedjen, Looking at the logs and comparing him to high ranking unholy dks with ilvl 635-637 he doesn't seem to be casting his abilities enough.
He had half as many deathcoils & scourge strikes as almost every DK i looked at. He also had a 20% lower uptime on Frost Fever & Blood Plague. I noticed he died 3:30 into the pull also, but I'm not sure if that accounts for half the casts on SS&DC. He also had used Bloodboil a couple times, and used Icy Touch once, I believe this can mess up his runes and thus his dps/rotation. It looks like he was concerned about living, as he used deathstrike 5 times.
This fight is really about healers healing the dps while they tunnel the boss, I play rogue, and most of the logs I looked at fellow rogues arent even using feint/recup Just smokebomb and externals that don't affect dps.
I think you should let your dps know to only use CD's and potions/healthstones to help the healers out.

[Maxweii]

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...xxani/advanced
Spec: Unholy
World of Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...h=true&boss=-2
Question : So, the DK in question is Jaxxani, a friend of mine. Now, I know nothing about DKs but want to help him badly. I believe he's doing considerably less than what he could be doing, and want to help him improve as much as possible. He had to leave before Brackenspore, so he wasn't in for that fight, and he also died pretty early on The Butcher, so I'd say the good "judgeable" fights would be Kargath and Tectus.

Besides not using Potions (which I will tell him to for tonight), what can he do to improve? Is there something blatantly wrong with his setup, ability usage or damage breakdown? This is his new main for this xpac, so he's obviously not a master yet. But need him to improve asap!

Incoming lots of links!

So first off lets look at Tectus. We did it in a 29m compared to your 28m, but one person shouldn't skew numbers too much. Let's get the links to both my damage breakdown, and his, as well as your raid damage breakdown, and mine.


Tectus
Vintage Kill:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
Maxweii's Damage:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=3

SWC Kill:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...=true&fight=22
Jaxxani's Damage:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ht=22&source=8

Comparative Look Vintage and SWC:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

First off something that is SUPER obvious on Tectus. He cast Blood Boil 15 times, I cast it 104 times. The difference between those is just, tremendous. I mean he did 294.1k with his casts of it while I did 2.69m with mine. He lost a ton of damage from not using his aoe abilities on a fight that just oozes targets. At even just two targets all Death Runes should be used on Blood Boil, and seeing as the fight has more then two targets almost 100% of the time you really are just spamming BB the whole time.
Considering the amount of times he cast Blood Boil, he as a result cast Icy Touch far too many times. I was going full on aoe, and ended up casting 6 during the whole fight. He was barely in an aoe rotation and ended up doing 13 casts of it. Almost double the amount of casts, in a fairly similar span of time. Icy Touch is a very rarely used spell for Unholy. The only time it should be used is if you're in full aoe and somehow a BB doesn't return the rune as a death rune (targets moved out of range, or died, ect, can make it return as Frost since it didn't hit anything). Although seeing as he wasn't really aoeing most of the time, he shouldn't have ever really used it at all, let alone double the amount of times compared to myself whom was full aoeing the fight.

With your kill being 7:32 long, he missed a Gargoyle cast. That's 40 seconds of our big damage CD not being utilized. Really really can't miss using this. I also don't see any Arcane Torrent casts, but I also can't see your Runic Power gains in your logs, so it's a little hard to see if he truly didn't cast it, but from what I am betting he didn't cast it. It's an interrupt yes, but there's nothing to interrupt here. Use it on CD for free Runic Power.

He must have been using Plaguebearer here, as there's no Plague Leech or Unholy Blight casts. That's a huge loss, Plague Leech, especially on an aoe fight, is just such a damage increase.

He had a better use of Soul Reaper, I will concede on that, however I would say that's due to the huge difference in rotations we were using. I can bet more of his Death Runes went into SR then mine did. While he has good Soul Reaper damage, that wasn't enough to make up for it though. Your fight was also roughly a minute longer too, so likely targets were available to be in the <45% range longer then mine were.

He had pretty low use of Defile, which is a tremendously damaging ability especially when you add in more then one target. If you count the first one being cast at 0:00 (the start of the fight) as the first cast, he should have had 15 casts of Defile (the last one at the very last moment of the fight so realistically 14 sounds more appropriate), although he only had 11. Missing three full casts is a bit beyond the range of where I would say is okay. Depending on how long a fight goes, the few seconds here and there where you might need a rune will add up to maybe a missed cast of it, but unless the fight is 20+ minutes it shouldn't go above a single missed cast. Even then, Defile is a very high priority spell to be casting.

He cast a single Death Strike during the fight, not sure really why as it really messes up our runes as Unholy. Unless things are going REALLY bad it shouldn't ever be used. Even then, he has Lichborne and Death Pact to heal him instead.

For damage taken he actually did amazing. He took much less damage then I did, and I feel silly thinking back at how much I was just plain letting myself stand in things. Good job to him!

For buffs he has a slightly lower Unholy Strength uptime compared to me, he was at 66.40% while I had 79.33%. This could be plain RNG where I just got a few more buffs, but it could also be he was out of melee range for a bit and thus was losing chances to have it proc, which he really need to minimize if so as it's a huge DPS buff to have it up. (Although then he has a ton of Sudden Doom procs, maybe it really was all luck here?).


Kargath
Vintage Kill:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...one&graph=true
Maxweii's damage:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...=true&source=3

SWC Kill:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...h=true&fight=2
Jaxxani's damage:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...t=2&source=854

Comparative Look Vintage and SWC:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...rHNF#fight=3,2


Something I spotted right away talent wise on this fight, he was using Unholy Blight. He should be using Plague Leech as not only will it reduce downtime for him a lot, it's plain a huge dps increase.

He missed a cast (almost two) of Defile here, really have to make sure it's used on CD.

No Arcane Torrent use here as well.

Given that he wasn't on adds at all, he used Blood Boil twice and it shouldn't have ever been used. He also used Icy Touch five times and given he wasn't in an aoe situation, he shouldn't have done it even a single time. Both are related to each other. Since he was pure single target here, both of them shouldn't have been cast even once.

He seems a bit low on his SR use. In my kill I got 14 off, and that was in a 3:33 duration fight. On his he got 13 off in a 4:29 duration fight. Easily could have squeezed more in for more dps.

He took a tick less of damage from Berserker Rush, good job! However he took five hits from the Flame Jets, there's no need to get hit by them.

He certainly isn't afraid to use CD's, which is great. He has used IBF in both fights so far and that's good to see. He could up AMS use a bit, he took Flame Jets damage so he certainly could have used a cast or two more I would say.

Thanks for the insight guys, here are the logs from yesterday, if it helps any more.

He was on the first batch of people to be sat on The Butcher, and it felt lame having to bench a friend. (It also seems like we're way more casul than expected! filthy casuls!)

Warcraftlogs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wrFa912b7XBtMJfH
Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...xxani/advanced
Spec: Unholy

Unholy really relies on Soul Reaper to make up a lot of their damage, so his damage should get a good bump up <45% hp on the boss. He will look better on the second half compared to the first by far.

On the longest two attempts you guys went against Butcher he used Death Strike, Icy Touch, and Blood Boil a couple of times between the two of them. He shouldn't use them at all on the fight, as Death Strike is too much of a loss to use despite it's healing, and BB/IT are aoe rotation spells.

He died twords the end, but only had a 65% uptime on Unholy Strength during his time alive. He must have been out of range of the boss a lot? I had a 82% uptime, so he could prob benefit from that a good bit. Other long attempts seem oddly low (between 15-20% lower uptime).

Given his time alive he missed a Defile cast in most attempts, sometimes closer to two.

He has AMS being cast a lot on the fight. There's no magic damage here, so there's no need for him to put any thought into using it at all. Not a huge problem, but that attention can be put elsewhere.

No casts of Arcane Torrent at all on Butcher. Plague Leech only used twice through all 16 goes (I know he wasn't in for all of them but it should still be higher).

Only if you mess up the preparations. You convert your frost (and blood) runes to death runes with a couple of initial Festering Strikes and then they should stay death runes as long as you spend them on Blood Boil and not anything else. I don't even have Icy Touch on my bars.

Given the circumstances of a raid environment where raid mechanics, movement, of death of targets can cause BB to not hit a target and thus turn a rune into a Frost rune, it's perfectly reasonable to have it on your bars as it's the only way to turn a single Frost rune into a Death rune without blowing a FS and taking a Death rune with it.

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Hey Nedjen, Looking at the logs and comparing him to high ranking unholy dks with ilvl 635-637 he doesn't seem to be casting his abilities enough.
He had half as many deathcoils & scourge strikes as almost every DK i looked at. He also had a 20% lower uptime on Frost Fever & Blood Plague. I noticed he died 3:30 into the pull also, but I'm not sure if that accounts for half the casts on SS&DC.

Shrinking my log to match his in terms of time, he has about 20 less SS/DC casts compared to myself. Seeing as he wasn't using Plague Leech as much as he should have, or using Arcane Torrent, that's the difference there.
His dot uptime is perfect, 96.5% (you have to shrink the time you're looking at to when he's alive or else it calculates in time where he's dead). So no worries on that front. It will drop a slight bit when using PL more, as mine is at 93.15%, but that is perfectly fine given what PL does.

[Nedjen]

Wall of text!

First of all, thanks for putting so uch time into this. We had a big talk yesterday, as we went over his logs and some other logs. We noticed he had cast so many Death Strikes/IT/BB where he shouldn't have been, and that could be one of the issues. He even cast Remorseless Winter once in the Butcher attempt we were looking at!

He took Plague Leech and Lichborne and wasn't using any of them (well barely using). Went over that.
Also, a question! Should he use Plague Leech even if Outbreak is on cooldown, and reapply diseases via Plague Strike? I'm under the impression the loss of an UH rune isn't worth it, but not sure.
This person here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...casts&source=1 cast Plague Leech 10 times, and "applied diseases" 11 times (4 via Outbreak, 7 via Plague Strikes).

I was also assuming that misusing runes so much (IT/BB/DS) was causing a sort of medium term chain reaction causing him to not use Sourge Strike as much, as his uses a bit lower than average.

Is it okay to DC if you're out of range? As in Butcher knocking everyone back, and you DC as you move in to melee range again? Is that a valid practice? Or it's bad?

Again, thanks. I'll show him your post and make sure he gets all of it.

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Also, a question! Should he use Plague Leech even if Outbreak is on cooldown, and reapply diseases via Plague Strike? I'm under the impression the loss of an UH rune isn't worth it, but not sure.

I was also assuming that misusing runes so much (IT/BB/DS) was causing a sort of medium term chain reaction causing him to not use Sourge Strike as much, as his uses a bit lower than average.

Is it okay to DC if you're out of range? As in Butcher knocking everyone back, and you DC as you move in to melee range again? Is that a valid practice? Or it's bad?

He should be using Plague Leech as diseases are running out, even if Outbreak is still on cooldown. Some sites like Icy-Veins claim that they should never run out thanks to Festering Strike, but that's not exactly true. You can keep diseases up with a single application for long enough to Outbreak come off cooldown, however. Not so sure about the benefits of using Plague Leech as soon as it comes off cooldown like this guy is doing, though.

Icy Touch and Death Strike don't belong in a DPS rotation and using them directly affects the runes you have available for the good stuff.

Casting Death Coil while closing distances is a good practise since you can't use up the runes you're recharging and using them is a higher priority than spending runic power once you're back in range.

[freezion]

So i just returned to WoW, and decided to boost my DK whom i stopped playing after wrath due to the new rune system.
anyhow i started playing it again as unholy dps, but i am clueless on how the rotation and priorities should look.

so any tips on the rotation?

[Maxweii]

First of all, thanks for putting so uch time into this. We had a big talk yesterday, as we went over his logs and some other logs. We noticed he had cast so many Death Strikes/IT/BB where he shouldn't have been, and that could be one of the issues. He even cast Remorseless Winter once in the Butcher attempt we were looking at!

He took Plague Leech and Lichborne and wasn't using any of them (well barely using). Went over that.
Also, a question! Should he use Plague Leech even if Outbreak is on cooldown, and reapply diseases via Plague Strike? I'm under the impression the loss of an UH rune isn't worth it, but not sure.
This person here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...casts&source=1 cast Plague Leech 10 times, and "applied diseases" 11 times (4 via Outbreak, 7 via Plague Strikes).

I was also assuming that misusing runes so much (IT/BB/DS) was causing a sort of medium term chain reaction causing him to not use Sourge Strike as much, as his uses a bit lower than average.

Is it okay to DC if you're out of range? As in Butcher knocking everyone back, and you DC as you move in to melee range again? Is that a valid practice? Or it's bad?

Again, thanks. I'll show him your post and make sure he gets all of it.

Yeah nothing was really glaringly wrong, just all small mistakes that lead up to making a big difference in damage. For example if RW wasn't on the GCD, it wouldn't matter if he cast it on CD on Butcher. However it is, so if he casts it he takes up a GCD that could have been used on a damaging ability. With DK's having a 1s GCD baseline, we want to fill as many as we can. On a fight where RW or Gorefiends is actually needed, it's okay to use them because the fight requires it obviously, otherwise move em away from where they might get accidentally hit. I move Gorefiends off my bars on Butcher/Twins for example as it's just not needed and would be a waste if I accidentally hit it.

Lichborne is less of an issue with not using. It's purely a defensive CD, and even then it's a very small small amount of healing. I cast it twice on our H Butcher kill, and it did 25k healing total because of it. Which, yeah it's 25k healing I wouldn't have had otherwise, but that's nothing compared to say a Healthstone, Healing Tonic, or Death Pact.
Plague Leech not being used is a bigger issue though as it's a huge increase in damage. Between my logs and the one you linked, I cast it 9 times and he cast it 10. Both of us could have casted it up to 11 times if we did it on CD, however casting it right off CD isn't the best way to go about it.
Generally the way I go about it is fairly simple. If my dots are going to run out and it's on CD, and I have two runes fully depleted, I will cast it. Also, if I have one Unholy rune, but no other runes, I will cast it (meaning the dots could be at 20~ seconds here and I still cast it). The second way happens more often for me, as it will let me have an assured PS to cast (from the Unholy rune) and then I have two SS's to cast with the Death rune that comes back, on top of the either B/F or D/D rune pair that comes back naturally. The way I do it I usually end up using it between right when it comes off CD, and at max 10-15 seconds after it comes off CD, kinda depends on the fight/resources at the time. I use it as a stopgag method for holes in the rotation, which is what it's intended to do. Especially on aoe using it in this manner can allow for 4 back to back Blood Boils, making it feel like a mini Empower Rune Weapon.

You're correct on his use of those abilities affecting his SS use. Since our rotation is pretty strick in terms of what we use for each rune, if you misuse a rune on something that's not normally there it can take a good 15~ seconds for the runes to normalize again. Death Strike uses an Unholy and Frost rune, leaving a lone Blood rune there. That's probably where some SS's went, as well as where some BB's came from.

It's good practice to know when you will be out of range and to store some runic for it. I try to have at least 1-2 Death Coil's of runic to use right before the knockback, then I lay into him to get as much as I can again, so that I can cast a few more while he runs off/back.

Icy Touch and Death Strike don't belong in a DPS rotation and using them directly affects the runes you have available for the good stuff.

I've seen you say it a lot, but Icy Touch has a bit looser of a rule about it compared to just straight not belonging in the rotation. I've listed the circumstances for why it might be needed before, but in an aoe situation you certainly might need to cast Icy Touch now and then.
So yes, in single target Icy Touch shouldn't be used, however in aoe it is an important tool for managing runes.

So i just returned to WoW, and decided to boost my DK whom i stopped playing after wrath due to the new rune system.
anyhow i started playing it again as unholy dps, but i am clueless on how the rotation and priorities should look.

so any tips on the rotation?

General tips can be found in the guide here at:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-Draenor-Guide

If you want a little more info that goes a bit more in depth you can look at Magdalena's guide on wowhead:
http://www.wowhead.com/guide=2162#abilities-unholy

And if you want super in depth stat weight and such look at Spoonys Adventures in Simcraft (on here but also located on Sonofalich):
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...imulationcraft

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I've seen you say it a lot, but Icy Touch has a bit looser of a rule about it compared to just straight not belonging in the rotation. I've listed the circumstances for why it might be needed before, but in an aoe situation you certainly might need to cast Icy Touch now and then.
So yes, in single target Icy Touch shouldn't be used, however in aoe it is an important tool for managing runes.[/url]

Fair enough, Icy Touch is useful for recovering from desynched runes - a mistake you probably brought on yourself. Unless there's a situation I don't know about where death runes suddenly turn back into frost runes while spamming Blood Boil.