my monk is making it extremely tempting to switch mains.
getting tired of blizz's hands off approach to the class.
Sounds like ret just isn't the class for you.
I don't PvE, I PvP only. But, that being said, I find Ret insanely enjoyable. In terms of PvP we're highly disregarded currently and a good ret will stomp through opponents in low arena/2k rbgs.
I noticed you were not considering lvl 90 talents as part of your rotation... holy prism is defnitely a dps gain especially in your downtime. As I said, I don't often pve but I am aware of the small downtime, this is when you throw in holy prism.
Also, sorry if this is insulting, but I want to make sure you're not using your hp until you are at 5, or in your downtime of cs/judgment/exorcism. You waste a lot of DPS (and multiply your downtime) if you're not managing hp properly.
@Moradim: I'm a glass half full kind of guy, so maybe this is just my optimisim. However, Devs have said they are happy with where rets are. They are NOT, however, happy with numerous burst classes and heals. They are just being UNGODLY slow on their nerfs. I truly believe as time goes on we'll find rets being much better in general as the heavy burst other classes offer will be mitigated. I truly do not think there is anything wrong with the class - though of course I'd love inquisition to be passive and kings on the same CD as wrath =)
So that was my basic choice, before pixels, stats & numbers, and probably why I keep playing it with a feeling of playing a very colourful character, with a background and a story.
I mostly PVP, so ... in fact I only PVP. Everything is situational in PVP. I think we have a great burst, good offheals, and a lot of utility for our teammates. I survive well, in group or alone, and do decent damage. Our toolkit isn't too complicated, but has great possibilities I think. You have to make choices, instead of tunneling and " DPS " as I do with my warrior on a target. With the paladin, the choice is wider, freeing someone with a hof, bringing a heal, bubbling a friendly healer .... many things can be done in a dedicated situation.
Variety, I think that's it, variety in roles temporarily fill and things you can do. I tried Palaheal, but I gave up, watching healbars isn't my cup of tea, and I found the palaheal monoton. Tank, in PVP, warriors are far better than paladins in RBGs, but I think a better palatank in PVP would have been a great option if available.
One thing to remember here is that scaling is going to get rather out of control pretty quickly this expac. The stat inflation that was put in to keep folks from using their heroic DS gear up through 90 and into raids and heroics as well as LFR has meant that each tier of gear is going to crush each tier below it in terms of just base stats. All this is only made worse by the doubling up of secondary stats.
So while I think we're still looking at "man I got X weapon and now I have a 5% increase!" That 5% used to be tiny - like going 5% faster through a school zone. Now it's 5% faster when going down a straight road in Montana while all the cops are on strike. Proportionately the same but far more raw numbers.
In other words, if you don't like it now try coming back towards the end of expansion. You'll be able to gear up pretty fast and you'll see some major changes!
I like having survivability for myself and the raid. I tend to take my time and throw some heals and that is the kind of playstyle I enjoy. And to be honest, throwing offheals and using my utility on others made me stand out a lot more than the generic people who DPS, and people seem to appreciate that.
Even though ret is not always where it should stand, I definitely enjoy it as a class that is very strong in groups. Stronger than some people tend to believe.
On warcraftmovies I found a great example of why I love Paladins so much. http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=226079
That PvP movie reminded me why I play a Paladin, why I PvP as a Paladin, and why I still play this game: I enjoy it, the poeple around me enjoy it and keep me motivated. I had my doubts recently about playing a Paladin, but then those people keep reminding me that the class I have been playing for 6-7 years is a great one, even in dark times of 'You can't play ret, it sucks'
Last edited by ExtremeActionTess; 2013-01-13 at 12:42 AM.
I don't. Thats why I call it my Quest Spec.
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Garalon 10m that had a ret in it (because there is always room for offhealing on that fight). 1k HPS, barely any at all, and that was just a random one. A dps warrior does more healing than him. On my feral I would heal for 8-10k just throwing out healing touches from predator's swiftness. The top 10N Garalon US ret dps does ZERO healing. He's obviously a good player, but ret's healing is so bad that you're better off *not even using it* because other classes can do it better and lose less dps (or none).
Ret has no excuse to complain about the state and throughput of their dps this tier sadly. Maybe it's the class and its style itself that isn't right for you.
And yes.. that was my initial question, I'm fully aware of its potential both in damage and utility but I'm still not enjoying it, so I wanted to hear what others enjoy about the class.
Not the best class but not the worst.
Yes there is some downtime, but not as high as you claim. Even then, there is usually something you could be doing during that downtime to benefit the raid which does not impact on DPS. For example I see you have picked up Sacred Shield, but your logs show you rarely use it. Yeah It is less enjoyable than doing something to increase personal DPS, but its still a raid benefit and it's just how ret works.
I enjoy playing it during the 2 fights I go Ret for, but couldn't see me playing it 'full-time'.
Last edited by Ishau; 2013-01-13 at 06:55 PM.
Humans are the only species on the planet smart enough to be this stupid.