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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    And larger onboard storage, you can run any x64 or x86 application you already have a license for
    So basically full OS features...

    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    you don't usually need to buy an adapter for external displays (the "lightning to HDMI" connector for the ipad mini and ipad 3 costs something stupid like 50 bucks)
    If this was important, then it can be circumvented by going Android tablet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    some of them have optical drives
    When's the last time you used an optical drive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    a mouse is still a more accurate pointing device than a finger-tip...
    Not without buying an additional mouse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanotical View Post
    and im sure you could get a used one for even cheaper, the current model that compares to mine is $729 on the apple store
    We're comparing cheapest available to cheapest available of 5 'classes' of computing solutions: tablet, laptop, ultrabook, tablet/ultrabook hybrid, tablet/laptop hybrid.

    Your $730 iPad2 has Cellular and Retina Display 2048x1536 (much higher than your standard 1366x768 laptop).

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanotical View Post
    accept that something like a Surface Pro is or a hybrid divice is still going to be much better for a student anyway
    Not necessarily. When you go with a hybrid device, you're sacrificing at both fronts. You're sacrificing the uber mobility and touch screen of a tablet in addition to the power of a laptop/desktop. If the OP already has a desktop and doesn't need 'desktop' features while on the go, there's no point in getting a Surface Pro for $400 more. From what the OP has written, it looks like he just wants a tablet for the 'tablet features'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanotical View Post
    you may consider it stupid to compare a used ipad2 base model to a new retina ipad top end
    First off, the iPad Mini is $330 NEW. The base model iPad2 is $400 NEW.

    You can't compare the iPad2 Retina's price to the cheapest laptop/ultrabook. A iPad2 Retina is 'premium', akin to a high end, more powerful laptop/ultrabook (eg. a gaming laptop). When you compare a premium tablet to a premium laptop, its quite obvious that a $1000+ high performance laptop is significantly more expensive than your $730 iPad2 Retina. Obviously whether the OP is looking for performance or Cellular+HighResDisplay will determine what he's going to buy. From what he has said, he only needs note-taking and some wifi features which a tablet is more than capable of.

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    Last time I checked, 1366x768 was completely fine for school work.
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    I used a first generation iPad last year to take notes. It was my last year of high school.

    - I used an app called "Notes" for taking down notes. I got very proficient using the iPad's keypad.

    - I had all but one of my textbooks as PDFs. I had to get them directly from the publisher, which took 2 months. They're real fucking slow about stuff like this, and I had to sign a contract saying I wouldn't share or distribute the PDFs. The one textbook I didn't get was from a different publisher who didn't want to give it to me.

    - I carried around a bunch of paper for drawing sketches and graphs, which I kept in a file. You will never do good sketches on the iPad. Don't try.

    - I had a stylus for writing some stuff on the PDFs or underlining important things. For longer notes, using the stylus to write was horrendous. I never got used to it.

    - I did my maths in a paper book.

    I'm going to continue using it this year in university. It's very useful and I don't kill my back anymore carrying books around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yurano View Post
    We're comparing cheapest available to cheapest available of 5 'classes' of computing solutions: tablet, laptop, ultrabook, tablet/ultrabook hybrid, tablet/laptop hybrid.

    Your $730 iPad2 has Cellular and Retina Display 2048x1536 (much higher than your standard 1366x768 laptop).



    Not necessarily. When you go with a hybrid device, you're sacrificing at both fronts. You're sacrificing the uber mobility and touch screen of a tablet in addition to the power of a laptop/desktop. If the OP already has a desktop and doesn't need 'desktop' features while on the go, there's no point in getting a Surface Pro for $400 more. From what the OP has written, it looks like he just wants a tablet for the 'tablet features'.



    First off, the iPad Mini is $330 NEW. The base model iPad2 is $400 NEW.

    You can't compare the iPad2 Retina's price to the cheapest laptop/ultrabook. A iPad2 Retina is 'premium', akin to a high end, more powerful laptop/ultrabook (eg. a gaming laptop). When you compare a premium tablet to a premium laptop, its quite obvious that a $1000+ high performance laptop is significantly more expensive than your $730 iPad2 Retina. Obviously whether the OP is looking for performance or Cellular+HighResDisplay will determine what he's going to buy. From what he has said, he only needs note-taking and some wifi features which a tablet is more than capable of.
    im not saying to go out and buy the most expensive device, when i bought mine, it was over $700, and there were no older ipad1s available to buy for cheap, but that was before the ipad3 and ipad mini, and the price drop, at the time, the base model ipad was $499

    now when you compare that to other 10" tablets, it's about ballpark, sure you could get a cheaper model, but that's not something i would trust to be durable enough to survive 2-4 years of school, my brother is already in need of a new tablet, he has a first gen transformer

    a surface pro, would give you a nice in-between, you could have a tablet for portability, and still have things like office, thats assuming you are getting a surface instead of a laptop

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    Quote Originally Posted by yurano View Post
    The major problem with the tablet/laptop hybrids is price. An iPad will run you $330-400 and Android tablets are even cheaper.

    Compare that to the Surface @ $600 (with keyboard) or Surface Pro $900 and other Windows RT tablets at anywhere from $600-1200.
    I got a used X61t for 150 euros. They're expensive new but business liquidations happen often and these sell like hot cakes at attractive prices
    I'm pretty sure you can get a X200t or even X210t for what is basically peanuts on ebay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripslyme View Post
    nothing from apple is worth it.. get some real quality if you need it
    couldn't agree more

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    Quote Originally Posted by yurano View Post
    I would advise against a laptop for school use. Compared to a tablet, they're heavy, have shorter battery life, no touch screen and no mobile apps. The problem with going ultrabook is that they're vastly underpowered. You should only go for a 'full OS' unit if you need features available in a 'full OS' but unavailable in a tablet.
    vastly underpowered? ultrabooks have an i5 minimum requirement to be called ultrabook and they have flash/ssd storage as well as plenty of ram. ultrabooks are plenty fast. you may be thinking of the old netbooks with the atom processors, but current ultrabooks are far from that.
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    vastly underpowered? ultrabooks have an i5 minimum requirement to be called ultrabook and they have flash/ssd storage as well as plenty of ram. ultrabooks are plenty fast. you may be thinking of the old netbooks with the atom processors, but current ultrabooks are far from that.
    In addition to that, you don't need a fast laptop for note taking and powerpoint. An Atom netbook is plenty fast enough for that.
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    For class I recommend you this one. It's fully customizable, you can carry it everywhere due to it's small size. It's autonomy is not that large, but it takes about 30 seconds to fully charge. The best part? it costs about 2$ and has independent storage, you can use as many as you wish.







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    Quote Originally Posted by jmacphee9 View Post
    vastly underpowered? ultrabooks have an i5 minimum requirement to be called ultrabook and they have flash/ssd storage as well as plenty of ram. ultrabooks are plenty fast. you may be thinking of the old netbooks with the atom processors, but current ultrabooks are far from that.
    First off, all tablets use flash storage.

    Second, RAM is generally irrelevant to performance for PCs once you pass ~4GB without gaming/professional use. Tablets use cut down and optimized versions of apps so RAM isn't an issue.

    Just because its an i5 doesn't mean its powerful. Ultrabooks use the low power i5s like the i5-3317U @ 1.7 Ghz 3MB cache, half the clock of a standard desktop i5 and a gimped cache.

    From the Intel Ultrabook page:

    Acer Aspire S7 i5-3317U $1200
    ASUS Tachi 21 i5-3317U $1300
    Dell XPS 12 i5-3317U $1200
    Fujitsu Lifebook U772 i5-3317U $1150
    HP ENVY TouchSmart i3-3217U $800
    Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 13 i3-3217U $1050
    Samsung Series 9 i5-3317U $1400
    Sony VAIO Duo 11 i5-3317U $1200
    Toshiba Satellite U925T-S2300 i5-3317U $1150
    VIZIO i5-3317U $850

    Sure you get more power than a tablet, but you're sacrificing severely on price. Plus, you don't actually get the full performance of a 'desktop replacement' laptop. When you go ultrabook, you're sacrificing on both fronts to get both mobility and power in one device.
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    get the windows surface pro. Real OS and desktop applications in a tablet form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    get the windows surface. Real OS and desktop applications in a tablet form.
    The only one out at the moment I think is the Windows RT version which is just bad. You could wait for the Surface Pro but that's close to 1k.

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    Depends on the usage really, I use a windows surface tablet for school and i Loooooove it. How ever there are definitely limitations, namely taking notes in a proper format.... try writing down the quadratic equation in Word, for example. So for classes like math and especially engineering, an electronic experience might not be too effective. A free-hand stylus tablet could function quite well in those situations though.

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    I attempted to use a macbook for heavy note taking and class work while getting an MIS degree, and truth be told, I wasted more time trying to find the best way to take notes than actually taking notes. Long story short, I ended up using the computer for fun and studying for tests, which I could have done on my desktop or computers on campus.

    So you get to class. You setup your stupid looking Ipad stand and keyboard (god you look like a doucher already) and then oh no a surprise quiz. Time to disassemble the circus! But wait, you dont have any paper. This is the wrong time to strike up a convo with the hottie next to you. So you get a piece of paper from 4eyez in front of you (who is gunna ace the quiz because he already does everything on paper) and then you can finally take the quiz. Next class rolls around and one paper without a name is sitting up front with some shittly drawn graphs on it. Uh oh.

    This is all hypothetical of course, but you get my drift.

    I would buy a cheaper tablet for buying and reading books and use campus or desktop computers for the real work. Also being able to record audio is a big plus if you can't understand your professor or are a good student and review everything.

    OH another little tip that I wish I would have cashed in on sooner. A lot of college text books are floating around in PDF files in or around the interwebz

    glhf

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    I have an ipad 3, a blackberry playbook, a nexus 7, and a windows RT tablet. All for work. And a pen and piece of paper is better then any of them for taking notes.

    They're toys, and good for consumption of information. Honestly 99% of my tablet use is when I first wake up in the morning, I grab the nexus or the ipad (whatever happens to be closer) from my night table and consume my email. Then later at night before bed, I read the news and flipboard. During the day my tablets go all but unused, because my phone is more efficient and portable...and when the phone isn't good enough, I want a real computer...not a tablet. The only thing I do find the tablets good for is in meetings...I would rather have the material in front of me then have it projected to a white board.

    I personally don't see tablets as a replacement for any kind of proper PC with a physical keyboard.
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    I don't think it's worth it, at all.

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    Waste of money - Old fashioned paper is better IMO...no need for gimmicks

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    Pen and paper for me.

    I've tried parts of it, but for me the old fashioned way is better.

    While I also... <cough> "find" <cough> PDFs of my books, and put them on my phone and memory card, I am only able to use them for looking up something real fast when I know where to look. I find thumbing through the book easier when searching for information, and I have a hard time reading from a screen verses paper. Similar thing with writing papers. I won't find most mistakes on a computer screen, so I print out all my drafts. I find that I catch my mistakes much easier on paper.

    I've considered using a tablet for taking notes, that's actually what drew me into this thread. I always end up sticking with a pen and paper. Just works out better for me. I have two notebooks per class. I chicken scratch into one of them during lecture, then I clean it up and transfer it to my "official" notebook which I also use for taking notes out of the textbook. At the end of the semester I cut off the spiral and stick my notes into a sheetfed scanner which I have at work. This satisfies my OCD of saving all my notes, while getting rid of the boxes of notebooks.

    You can read that and say it is perfect for a tablet. It saves me a lot of work with re-writing and scanning. I agree. My method has one main advantage though. I'm done studying, instead of screwing around with a tablet. I've written my notes three times (lecture, lecture-rewrite, notes from the book). Beyond a cursory review before a comprehensive final, I've already "studied" for my test. Done. Guaranteed A thanks to the "limitations" of the pen and paper.

    That's me. YMMV.

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    I used an iPad since the day the first gen was released for note taking and on the spot research via my school's wifi connection. I carried around a notebook with some paper for math equations that aren't very easy to transcribe via the pages app. I downloaded a ton of apps such as graphing, periodic table, wolfram alpha (highly suggest this app), chemical mass, etc. When I started using it I don't think there were any textbooks to get on it, but I've heard there are a good number now. Not having to carry 4+ textbooks around with you, as well as the ability to write on them however you see fit is an awesome plus for those that are available.

    Typing on the ipad has never been an issue for me. The only thing that really sucked was in my chemistry class when we were doing an online activity requiring flash, but those were few.

    I suggest doing some research into as many tablets and/or laptops as possible, determining if they will suit your needs, and make a decision from there. The ipad is a great device, but it's not the only one out there.

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