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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    It's not just about maturity, emotional or physical.

    Shared life experiences are a HUGE deal. That's why Paris Hilton doesn't date Joe Hot-Pocket or when they do - like Larry Burket and Liz Taylor - it never works out. Or why people who graduate college are more apt to be with other people who have graduated college or heck, even why inter-racial couples are so rare.

    Even if someone has experience paying rent, they may not have faced a choice between eating anything but ramen for the next week or being kicked out of their apartment. As you extend this particular line out over time and add more and more experiences it becomes that much harder to relate to people who haven't had similar ones.

    Think about it, Kalecgos at this time has probably buried multiple friends - do remember dragons take a very active role in the day to day life of all the "mortal" species of Azeroth. He's Highlander and Jaina is just another brief fling, they'll be together for a few years but even if it lasts out her entire lifetime to Kalecgos she's nothing but "that time I spent about 60 years slumming it up with this hot human piece of ass." (Ok, yeah, I'm paraphrasing some added callousness in there pretty hard.)

    If you don't believe me on this or want to just say "it's because the brain of a 19 year old isn't fully functioned" that's fine, but truth is that maturity and even empathy doesn't really have a lot to do with mate selection and success of a relationship. The ability to straight up relate to someone, to be able to talk to them about your cares, worries and future does.

    If one party in a relationship is effectively immortal then there's just no way to bridge that gap as time passes.
    This is all evidence that the relationship will be difficult. This is all evidence that the relationship may not mean the same thing to Kalecgos as it does to Jaina.

    This is not evidence that he would perceive her as a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Shared life experiences are a HUGE deal. That's why Paris Hilton doesn't date Joe Hot-Pocket or when they do - like Larry Burket and Liz Taylor - it never works out. Or why people who graduate college are more apt to be with other people who have graduated college or heck, even why inter-racial couples are so rare.
    Well, I was including life experience when I said maturity (that's part of emotional maturity).

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Think about it, Kalecgos at this time has probably buried multiple friends - do remember dragons take a very active role in the day to day life of all the "mortal" species of Azeroth. He's Highlander and Jaina is just another brief fling, they'll be together for a few years but even if it lasts out her entire lifetime to Kalecgos she's nothing but "that time I spent about 60 years slumming it up with this hot human piece of ass." (Ok, yeah, I'm paraphrasing some added callousness in there pretty hard.)
    It's hard to say how accurate this is, though. We humans don't live tens of thousands of years. Humans in general live for roughly the same amount of time as each other. We don't have any real-life precedents of a relationship like this. We can make assumptions based on precedents that do exist based on our own lifespans, but the time gaps are going to be comparatively tiny.

    To Kalec, his relationship with Jaina may just be a brief, forgettable moment in time a few thousand years down the line. Then again, a being that lives tens of thousands of years may not perceive time the same way we do, and his memories of Jaina thousands of years down the line may be very comparable to how a human would feel only a couple years after their spouse died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raferis View Post
    I've seen worse on Rule 34 paheal.
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    OT: It could definitely be worse -_-

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Sett View Post
    I'm more concerned about how spiky dragon eggs are.

    So much pain for Jaina's cooter.
    Ooouch... I didn't even think about that :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by alt-ithist View Post
    Tyri has been dead for years. Since sunwell.

    Felmyst = Tyri just to be clear.
    http://www.wowpedia.org/Madrigosa is the dragon that was corrupted, killed, and turned undead.
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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    While I get your point and there would be a lot of shared life experiences - which are why you can date a 22 year old that's lived on their own for 4-years as a 30+ year old but dating a 19 year old just reminds you how stupid they are.
    My personal life tells that you are so wrong. 19 years old can be more mature than people 10 years old.


    Anyway, Kalec is considered a young dragon, if his age was translated to human age, he would be younger than Jaina. But not that it matters, like I already said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivin View Post
    Krasus was alive for over ten thousand years. o.O

    Actually, from the sound of it Tyranastrasz was several tens of thousands of years old. Immortal or not, a thousand years would be very young to a dragon.
    Well we know they aren't immortal because they can be killed. As Krasus is now dead in the lore.
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    Physical age doesn't define a person's maturity, and maturity is really what counts when you're trying to define how old someone feels.
    Yes. Correct. But you are comparing human values. 30 vs 40. 20 vs 80. Try to see 10k+ vs 30... whole different matter.

    And keep in mind that counting physical age by years works both ways. An immortal dragon might still be a child after thousands of years.
    Well Dragons can be nuts... just think about the one that hid the scepter in a Fish... Azuregeus? Dude in pre-cata Aszhara. Looked pretty childish to me. But meybe he just sniffed too much arcane energy.

    I just try to imagine being thousands of years old, and here comes a little 30yr old humanoid, who can barely control her own emotions.... she might be intelligent yes, but I couldn't really perceive her as an equal in terms of experience. Seriously I have seen Kingdoms being born and razed long before she was even dreamed into existence.

    Eh maybe it's just me, but I would just want to protect such a fragile little thing...

    Well we know they aren't immortal because they can be killed.
    Immortal = does not die of old age. Draenei are immortal too, yet they can be killed.
    Unkillable would be god status.

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  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Well we know they aren't immortal because they can be killed. As Krasus is now dead in the lore.
    Immortality in Warcraft Universe isn't referring to not be able to die, but to not dying of aging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Apathy- View Post
    I was kinda awed by this randomly visiting on the official forums and well this came up



    How does that even work? Like okay half dragon half human.. um kids if they do actually be together yada yada. This lore's killing me
    She bangs him in his ½ Elf ½ Human form.

    Eh maybe it's just me, but I would just want to protect such a fragile little thing...
    Clearly he does as well, they have a daddy-daughter-esque romance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Well we know they aren't immortal because they can be killed. As Krasus is now dead in the lore.
    Immortal isn't the same as unkillable (although an immortal can be unkillable in some stories). Generally, both in fantasy/sci-fi and in WoW specifically, immortality only prevents death from old age. Some settings include being immune to diseases and poisons as well, although I don't know if WoW does.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    I just try to imagine being thousands of years old, and here comes a little 30yr old humanoid, who can barely control her own emotions.... she might be intelligent yes, but I couldn't really perceive her as an equal in terms of experience. Seriously I have seen Kingdoms being born and razed long before she was even dreamed into existence.
    Which is not the case of Kalecgos. He is around 200 years old, coming from one of the eggs that Rhonin saved in the past. He never experienced the world until the Sunwell/Anveena deal.

    If anything, Jaina is more experienced than Kalec.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by The unknown secret View Post
    omg blizz please stop whoring jaina around. enough is enough.
    Jaina has been a Cloistered nun ever since Arthas went Lich King.

    She was only ever friends with Thrall, and The Kael'thas thing was more or less a one-way deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Yes. Correct. But you are comparing human values. 30 vs 40. 20 vs 80. Try to see 10k+ vs 30... whole different matter.
    Actually that's totally relevant to what I said. Maturity and age aren't connected. A ten thousand year old dragon might still be a baby by dragon standards. :P A ten thousand year old dragon and a thirty year old human might have the same level of maturity and thus be able to connect on the same personal level that a pair of similar-age humans could.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Rivin View Post
    Immortal isn't the same as unkillable (although an immortal can be unkillable in some stories). Generally, both in fantasy/sci-fi and in WoW specifically, immortality only prevents death from old age. Some settings include being immune to diseases and poisons as well, although I don't know if WoW does.
    Which is kind of dumb.

    Being able to die is what makes one mortal. Being immortal means you are not mortal-therefore unable to die.

    That's not to say that it makes you invicible or impervious. Daedra in Elder scrolls "die' all the time, but their souls return to the Waters of Oblivion and they come back just as they are eventually.

    This whole "Immortal means ageless and disease immune" is something I really wish would die out.

  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoBone View Post
    It isn't' completely unreasonable. Kalecgos obviously has a think for humanoid ladies considering his first love was Anveena.

    And it could still work, he just has to be in his human form. It isn't like he is going to transform into a dragon while they are having sex!

    They are probably the most attractive couple in Azeroth so far, so their children will be gorgeous.
    idk jainas pretty weird... i dont want to think about what shes into >_<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenixhart View Post
    Which is kind of dumb.

    Being able to die is what makes one mortal. Being immortal means you are not mortal-therefore unable to die.

    That's not to say that it makes you invicible or impervious. Daedra in Elder scrolls "die' all the time, but their souls return to the Waters of Oblivion and they come back just as they are eventually.

    This whole "Immortal means ageless and disease immune" is something I really wish would die out.
    its been this way for a long long long time. immortal has almost always meant two things.

    either cant die at all

    cant die unless someone murders you so you dont die from old age or sickness
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    So with Jaina and Kalec dating, when this blossoms into something more will this change kalecs views on the alliance and horde considering his dating an alliance member. Having a dragon there to protect you seems kinda op for a side. Maybe Thrall could ditch Aggra for Alexstrasza, shes still weeping over Krasus and needs some love.

    Garrosh's new plan for taking Azeroth, mating with a dragon to produce an army of super dragon/orcs. The orcish dragonflight.

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Hotaro View Post
    So with Jaina and Kalec dating, when this blossoms into something more will this change kalecs views on the alliance and horde considering his dating an alliance member. Having a dragon there to protect you seems kinda op for a side. Maybe Thrall could ditch Aggra for Alexstrasza, shes still weeping over Krasus and needs some love.

    Garrosh's new plan for taking Azeroth, mating with a dragon to produce an army of super dragon/orcs. The orcish dragonflight.
    kalec has been alliance since the kirin tor rejoined. kalec is a member of the kirin tor thus he is an alliance member. most dragons hate or atleast dislike the majority of the horde anyways if you asked all dragons to pick a side and they were forced im willing to bet 9 out of 10 would side with the alliance
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    Eh, Kalecgos isn't that strong since his depowering. He couldn't even take down one zeppelin left to his own devices, and history has proven that Horde zeppelins aren't exactly formidable opponents.

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    how did the sunwell date the dragon?
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