everyone in my guild can beat me on single target with my BRM main Hakujaden-darkspear(us) and ofc on my undergeared guardian adaline
aoe though....is a different story...ohh god the numbers i can pull on windlord...
which is actually in comparison to other brm's a little low i end the fight at about 230-240k
and i think i was second place damage that fight as well. ohh brm are strong atm single and aoe, but everyone except OT beats me single target
Still I cry, tears like pouring rain, Innocent is my lurid pain.
Only applies to some fights and circumstances, not all. It's fine as it is, just wish they didn't put the cap back on it :s
Protectors of the Endless: First tank at place 255
Tsulong: First tanks at place 3 and 5, next one at 270 (makes me think that those two did... something)
Lei Shi: First tank at place 1, next one at 319...
Sha of Fear: First tank at wooping 917
Imperial Vizier Zor'lok: First tank at place 6, next one at a wooping 1224
Blade Lord Ta'yak: First tank somewhere beyong place 1000 (to lazy to look further)
Garalon: I'm not going to search here. Tanks do hardly any damage at all.
Wind Lord Mel'jarak: Also not gonna bother
Amber-Shaper Un'sok: First tank at place 34, next one at 43, next one at 158, next one at 422
Grand Empress Shek'zeer: First DD at place 17, next one at 19, next ones at 22-29, it gets even from that point on, with more and more DPS.
The Stone Guard: First tank at 12, next one at 20, next ones 26 and 33 and 41, 43, 47. A few tanks up there, but only a few.
Feng the Accursed: First tank at 554
Gara'jal the Spiritbinder: First tank at somewhere beyond 1000.
The Spirit Kings: First tank at beyond. 1000.
Elegon: Urgh.. huge damage buff for DPS.. not gonna bother
Will of the Emperor: First tanks at 179 and 181 after a million Affliction locks. Next one at 344.
So, looks like tanks only really dominate one fight.
I see a lot more fights dominated by fire and arcane mages and affliction locks.
I stand by my "It's not Vengeance, it's a learn to play issue".
@OP, your thread is titled 'how can people be OK with vengeance', when you really mean 'how can people be ok with being out dps'ed by a tank'
Well firstly being 'ok' with something does not mean thinking it can't be improved upon, but generally speaking vengeance is fine because tanks rarely beat dps except on gimmicky fights and we're ok with that.
Secondly you should probably look more at yourself if you are being beaten by tanks on that many fights.
no YOU need to look at the ranks again.. i went over each individual fight from stone guard to Sha and the only fights i saw tanks in the top five were 4th boss and last boss in heart of fear, and a brewmaster was 5th or 6th on will of the emperor, every other fight they were back at the bottom of ALL 25 PLAYERS and the dps were smoking the tanks. so your either your logic or your counting skills are wrong because that makes only 3/16 fights where tanks are out dpsing people who arent tanks not 8. if your going to link Proof make sure it doesn't prove the point your OPPOSITION is trying to make
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As a tank, I think that blizzard should definitely change vengeance as it's not really a good mechanic. And no, it hasn't suddenly crept up on us... I believe it was implemented on the Cata pre-patch.
That said, if a tank beats you on most encounters, then you just suck balls.
Guardians - We don't have a "main tank". We just swap one dog constantly, so neither tank is particularly high on damage (or at least not as high as others).
Feng - There's some mechanics where we out DPS the DPS, big deal.
Gara'jal - DPS should top easily.
Spirit Kings - A fair bit of movement, which favors melee and some of the hard hits spike tanks vengeance, tanks still should come bottom (unless you suck).
Elegon - DPS should come top
Will of the Emperor - DPS are normally busy CCing / killing adds, whereas the tanks get a nice bonus attack if they're pro and can dodge opportunistic strikes. Melee can out-dps tanks if they get enough chances.
Vizier - DPS
Tay'ak - DPS (not my fault if you die)
Garalon - DPS
Wind Lord - Tanks (Guess who got world #1 monk on normal mode)
Amber Shaper Un'sok - DPS (You should be in the construct for longer than tanks, and with more debuffs on the boss)
Empress - I've had a DPS beat me on normal mode http://worldoflogs.com/reports/dbehz...=11129&e=11614
Protectors - DPS (unless your tank is sponging 3 mobs and using AoE when there's no need!)
Tsu'long - DPS
Lei Shi - DPS
Sha of Fear - DPS
So, maybe 5 fights a tank beats GOOD DPS. They're all gimmicky fights where a tank out-dps' an actual DPS. Get over it.
If I see you in LFR, do expect to get your face smashed though... I tend to come top as tank because they're worse geared than me, afk, playing alts, or are just plain bad normally.
If you're complaining about DPS not being important enough, then ask blizzard to make tougher enrage timers. Then you'll be crying because you won't be able to make it.
If you're still not happy - roll a tank and see what bullshit you have to put up with.
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Top DPS for Rhyolith is a Blood DK, done on the 27/3. Patch 4.3.3 was out on the 28th of February. Patch 4.3 was out on the 29th of November and was the Dragon Soul patch.
This guy had 4 months of the next tier: of course he was going to top the chart.
Unless you can find an example, possibly with the exception of Baleroc, your assertion is hilariously out of date.
Well.. as a tank I only top dps on.. let see.. Heroic windlord and Heroic will.
I guess I just play with competent dps who spend more time researching than complaining.
If you get outdpsed by tanks on anything other than those two fights you're doing something seriously wrong.
Oh, and 25man bosses give more vengeance, yet still only 2 our tanks are topping.
@People looking at those logs and seeing tank rankings, anyone who takes raiding seriously knows that a huge amount of logs are cheated to increase rankings.
Giving tanks stacks at the start on heroic protectors.
Popping raid cds instead of swapping the dogs on stone guards.
Leishi, aoe tanking the adds with cds
Vengeance is fine. Topping on TWO fights legitimately is nothing.
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As i looked at all top 10s, only normal mode has ranked tanks. That's on Alysrazor and Lord Rhyolith.
Rhyolith was because of all the AOE the blood tank did, with blood boil and heart strike.
Alysrazor has adds which take % damage increase, often on normal you can 1 tank it and cleave them down for insane damage.
Just like now on a few fights which are add heavy and deal TONS of damage, more damage taken = more vengeance. But the tank should only be beating dps on a couple fights, unless they're doing something like wearing full dps gear to increase their incomming damage for more vengeance.