[21:51:39] Liagala: IT'S HUGE AND GROSS AND DOES NOT BELONG IN MOUTHS
---------- Post added 2013-01-12 at 08:44 PM ----------
Shouldn't you always fly the flag of the Union you are a part of? That's silly otherwise. If that Union Jack isn't Irish enough for you, then ask the UK to update the flag to include something irish.
I dont see why they dont just put it back and end the violence, I mean there wasnt protests to remove it was there? From what ive seen it was peaceful before hand.
---------- Post added 2013-01-12 at 08:55 PM ----------
I think this is a little more than bizarre combined with a very politicised action. Northern Ireland, much as some people hate this, is British - I'm not going into right or wrong in all of this (ultimately it's not something that is of concern to me), but that's the situation. However what I do think needs to be said is that I don't condone the rioters actions, that's blind fuckin stupidity - but I can also look at this and see a secondary point.
I believe the action to remove the flag from City Hall as one aimed squarely at inciting these clowns - that's what they wanted to do in order to discredit the Unionists, portray them as savages and it's got to be said, the dozy prats have played right into their hands. (a minority thereof I should point out) The truth is there was no need to take the flag down unless you were looking for a political statement, but there are bigger issues in Belfast than needing to take such a blatantly inflamatory action!
There's no love lost by me towards being British, I'm a proud Scottish Nationalist but I can't see any sense in either taking the Union Flag down nor can I see any point in setting shit on fire as a result because ultimately it's shot any credibility of their protests in the foot!
Koodledrum - Balnazzar EU - 85 Priest - Retired.
Aren't the riots happening in the unemployment heavy parts of Belfast ?
I think it's pathetic that it's still going on.
Triple the sentence for being involved in this shit and see how many people are willing to go to prison for 15 years.
I believe the word you are looking for is Protestant.
They share the same God, the same roots, the same Holy Book, 99% of the two branches is exactly the same.
The major difference is the earth bound power structure.
Catholics have a strong earthly power structure headed by the pope, with a control system that branches down from there.
Protestants refused that system and struck out of their own in the Reformation. Protestants are essentially the Christian rebels. They can't even agree amongst themselves on the details of their beliefs so they have fractured into many many many different secs themselves. The only things Protestants generally agree on universally is that Christ is God and they are not Catholics.
Outside the power structure the details that differentiate Protestants and Catholics are relatively insignificant. Catholics put heavy emphasis on Mother Mary's divinity while Protestants reject that and claim she was a whole mortal, normal woman who was simply blessed by God to be the mother of Jesus.
Catholics put heavy emphasis on saints, mortal humans who achieved a level of divinity in their lives, enough that they grew significantly closer to God. Protestants reject this claiming that there is only God, or the Triune, and man is man.
So as you can see, the differences are really more a matter of practice then they are broad concepts.
A Catholic could attend a Protestant church service and feel pretty familiar with the teachings and practices, and vice versa.
Even if the book is the same the interpretations are so diametrically opposed it effectively creates a diferent conception of God. I doubt i could attend a Presbyterian "service" and realize what's going on.
I'm an American, with an admittedly weak understanding of the detailed history of the actual British Isles.
But it seems to me, that the flag isn't the issue. A flag is nothing more then a symbol, so people protesting a flags use one way or the other are not generally actually concerned about the flag itself, but what it represents.
So......continuing to focus on this flag as the issue is kind of avoiding the actual problems. Its debating a symptom instead of the actual disease.
---------- Post added 2013-01-12 at 04:20 PM ----------
We have Presbyterians here in the US too, a great many. Unless they are wildly different across the Atlantic, they are simply another Protestant sect. The words you use suggest you have not ever attended a service. Why don't you try it? It sounds like your speaking from hearsay and not actual experience.
Also, from Wikipedia:
Presbyterianism is the second largest Protestant denomination in the island of Ireland (after the Anglican Church of Ireland
Yes, that's a good way to solve our problems. Maintain your separatist mindset, spew incorrect propagandist bullshit and refuse to even explore the other side to actually learn anything about them.
Your as bad as the evangelicals who refuse to have anything to do with a Muslim because ' der da debil!!'
I've said this before, due to how little a shit I could give about the north anymore, but why cant they just hold a vote? And actually see what the people want to happen? I mean there is no harm in it because unless I am very much mistaken it would be a one side vote picking to stay in the uk. And then no one can argue because it would proof what the people want etc.