View Poll Results: Do you want the upgrade NPC removed?

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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Outofmana View Post
    It was a horrible system to begin with. Aaaaaaand painful if you upgraded an item and an upgrade would drop a day later...... or worse and the item that drops would be an upgrade if it was upgraded as well but right now it's slightly shittiër....
    Friend: Dammit, I just upgraded this piece of gear and I got a better piece to drop!

    Me: Aww that's too bad. *Inspects his gear* Say why didn't you upgrade [This Piece]? It's higher item level and your raid is several weeks off of getting X boss which would drop the only upgrade to that item?

    Friend: Because ask Mr. Robot told me to upgrade this other piece.

    Me: ... Again, why didn't you upgrade this other piece that made more sense to upgrade?

    Friend: Because ask mr robot is the best web site ever.

    Me: *facepalm*
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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Outofmana View Post
    It was a horrible system to begin with. Aaaaaaand painful if you upgraded an item and an upgrade would drop a day later...... or worse and the item that drops would be an upgrade if it was upgraded as well but right now it's slightly shittiër....
    Well I look at is as an optional small gear buff so you can spend your VPs somewhere.
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  3. #23
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    I think i'd rather want something 'more real' to spend my VP on. Upgrades are just a lame excuse if you ask me!
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  4. #24
    I figured it is being removed because with a new tier, upgrading it would make it too strong. Though with current gear, I don't understand why we won't be able to upgrade it still. Seems strange.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Outofmana View Post
    It was a horrible system to begin with. Aaaaaaand painful if you upgraded an item and an upgrade would drop a day later...... or worse and the item that drops would be an upgrade if it was upgraded as well but right now it's slightly shittiër....
    That's no different than enchanting/gemming a piece and having a better one drop, which already happens.

    And if the newly dropped piece will eventually be upgradeable, you're better off hanging onto it and upgrading it when it can be.

    Leave the feature in, there's no reason to remove it. It's a good sink for valor points if you've got nothing else to spend them on.

  6. #26
    It's not the smoothest system around since it means that the "stacking debuff" that it's meant to function as gets carried over to the following tier, either nerfing the initial difficulty or forcing it to be tuned around the upgraded ilvls.

    On a personal note, I find it bit too grindy. It is also bit punishing to a player who misses a week of capping valor.

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    It makes PvP gear grind take even longer. I hope that we will never see it again in WoW.
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    PvP shouldn't get access to it at all. It's already bad enough that people abuse the 483 PvP gear to get into PvE content, allowing them to be 491 is highly destructive to the PvE game balance.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Voyager View Post
    PvP shouldn't get access to it at all. It's already bad enough that people abuse the 483 PvP gear to get into PvE content, allowing them to be 491 is highly destructive to the PvE game balance.
    The 483 pvp gear costs conq points which (like valor) is capped weekly, and doesn't seem like a real 'fast track' into getting into raiding. And even if people are using this to get into PvE content, that content is probably LFR. Guilds can let whoever they want into their guilds/raids, so LFR is the only thing you can really 'force' yourself into by boosting your ilvl. The only way to really fast track yourself in endgame PvE would be to have some sort of amazing reputation or contacts that get you into a high end raiding guild that will feed you a ton of heroic raid gear that would probably be otherwise DE'd.

    I think that the upgrade system is a boon for mid level pve players who will probably not be going into heroic raid content, yet can upgrade a few of their 496 pieces to get them better items than they would otherwise ever hope to achieve. For higher end raiders, it gives you something to actually use valor on that would otherwise be wasted, perhaps allowing you to 'pull forward' a few upgrades from the next tier (im guessing that upgraded heroic gear will be comparable to normal raid drops for 5.2).
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  10. #30
    Imo the only weird thing is that they're removing the right to upgrade pre-5.2 gear. I do believe that removing the gear upgrade for 5.2 items themselves is a good idea, other wise it would break the progression. But having the possibility to upgrade heroic gear was really awesome. I don't see the point in removing it, honestly.

  11. #31
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    I don't spend any VP on item upgrades, just purchases, so that doesn't bother me.

    I wish they would have kept the ability to upgrade gear via justice.

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    I find it just another way to be worried about being on par with others regarding gear.
    So i'd like it removed.

  13. #33
    This is a really tricky one for me.

    I liked it because apart from the initial development time people had stuff to spend there VP on every patch for ever and ever, it was quite a simple model.

    You get gear from Raids (LFR, Normal or Heroics wherever your celling is).

    You upgrade it via Valor.

    Less development time making valor gear etc etc more time to produce more content.

    But upgrading your gear did not fell as "good" as buying gear.

    For my offspec I would spend my Valor on gear after getting everything I wanted from Valor for my Main Spec, with the upgrade system I felt I should upgrade my Main Spec gear first and I was never going to earn enough Valor, but then hopefully in 5.2 I will be able to select Off Spec gear when looting in LFR.

    So I am not really sure how I fell about the upgrade system!

    Can I have a "Not Sure Yet" options pls?

  14. #34
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    I would like to keep it, simply disabling it for the current tier should be more than enough to keep it a "non essential" part of gearing up.

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    As a person who started MOP 3 months late (personal/family stuff got in the way) I'd like to have the opportunity to at least catch up with the rest of my (mostly very) casual guild. It's not like capping valor is difficult anyways.

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    I think it's fine for pve and would like a split, but not removed completely. It is a good sink imo, and totally optional. In pvp, not so much.

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    I get why they removed it, but don't get why they didn't foresee this happening.
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  18. #38
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    It's a way for Valor-capped, geared raiders to spend all their extra VP. I support it.

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    I used the upgrade feature to bring me up to a high enough ilvl to get into LFR, both at the starter raids and at those needing i470. I did fine in the raids itself, but without the system, i'd probably still be stuck running through heroics. Honestly, I'd rather see them focus on a better way for us to gain rep, instead of requiring the daily grind. Right now, i've got only the rings available because i've basically refused to do dailies that are so closely tied to the core reps. I'd much rather have lots of free time, and simply dedicate one day to raiding and soloing, instead of needing to do that AND spending hours each day doing the dailies.

    Removing the upgrade system but leaving the awful rep grind will likely leave some players with no option but to be forced into grinding dailies because they're unable to get a high enough ilvl to get into the raids to get better gear. At least with upgrading available, you can run heroics for JP, and then use said points to upgrade the gear to allow you to get into the raids to get better gear. It's an alternate path to the same destination, and a much better one for those who simply lack the desire or time to grind so many dailies each day.
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  20. #40
    It really was not satisfying or fun to have to upgrade gear i already earned. So I hope it never comes back. I would rather spend my excess valor getting gear for an offspec to play around with and have fun then upgrading my main spec some more.They could even replace the upgrade system with boe valor items like they did every tier prior to this for all those people who cry about not having any use for valor after they got their main stuff.

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