View Poll Results: Do you want the upgrade NPC removed?

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  1. #181
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    I like the idea of them removing it, but i do think they should probably buff heroic dungeon drops a bit to compensate.

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Sengiratolom View Post
    As we aren't all in guilds full of top 50 material players, every single gearupgrade will bring you closer to a kill (provided that you have a working strategy). If you dont get these upgrades you are holding your guild back.
    Spending all your time on dailies to get minimal upgrades will hold your guild back more than if you spent that time working on being a better player/using better strategies. It's all about priorities. If you have time to do everything, then that is great. But not everyone does. And telling people to blindly spend their time maxing out their gear is not good direction to give.

    Gear is important. But if you spend more time on gear than you do on being a better player or working better strats - then you are prioritizing the wrong things.

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    Good grief, normal raids can be done in ilv 463 gear..why do you think you need to upgrade to 470 to do LFraid? You have to do the 5.0 LFr anyhow and it will drop more items in 5.2.

    Why can your alts not have fun in 5 man and LFraid 5.0 at first? Why do you need to be with your main and all alts in 5.2 "immediately"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Good grief, normal raids can be done in ilv 463 gear
    GL with that if you're not in a top guild.

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    I would prefer gear upgrade for gold. This way i am not forced too cap valors every week.

    There should be a limit. 3 upgrades per week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Descense View Post
    I would prefer gear upgrade for gold. This way i am not forced too cap valors every week.

    There should be a limit. 3 upgrades per week.
    Make it 4, because every item needs 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sengiratolom View Post
    Anything that increases character power, should be done by any raider that is worth a spot.
    So yes item upgrades are mandatory for those who care, those who dont upgrade their gear are slacking, they might aswell not take a heroic item of the same slot as they have a normal item "as it is just a few ilvls higher". Upgrade= upgrade, hence why pve-ers got conq items at start as they were better then the 463 dungeon blues.
    Sure ppl killed bosses in less gear then we have now, but there are different amounts of skill, and ppl have been playing together for various times, some are guildies for 1 week, others for 5 years, the later will know how the tank moves in a certain situation= dps gain for melee.

    As we aren't all in guilds full of top 50 material players, every single gearupgrade will bring you closer to a kill (provided that you have a working strategy). If you dont get these upgrades you are holding your guild back.
    Seriously? Normals raids are tuned to be done in ilv 463 gear from heroic 5 mans. Normal raids drop ilv 496. You need between 1.2 weeks and 2.2 weeks of capping valors to get 1 piece of ilv 483 or 496 gear. If that marginal upgrade is gonna make or break your "progress" now after 12 weeks (and that is progress in normals is uppose since we talk mandatory ilv 483 upgrades?) That is indeed not Top 50 material..it isn't even top 1000 material me thinks....

    Yes, "Anything that increases character power, should be done by any raider that is worth a spot.". But is it always and only gear? Knowing your class, knowing strats inside out...THAT should make the difference, really.
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    One cause is a cognitive bias called projection bias. Essentially living inside your own head your entire life makes it exceedingly difficult to understand how others do not also live your same life, think your same thoughts, and hold your same beliefs. In many cases it's quite frustrating to try to empathize and understand why you yourself may not be the center of the universe, which generally results in one 'acting out' in various ways.
    So, in short: the internet.

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    The feature isn't necessarily going away, they just aren't going to allow it every tier. It's supposed to be sort of a "catch up" utility between new raid tiers. We got it in 5.1, which has no new raid, we will not have it in 5.2 which will, and probably we'll have it back in 5.3.

    It sounds like they're still deciding if they like the concept and the way it works, so it isn't guaranteed the above will be the case but that is seems to be the general sort of plan. Probably if they don't bring it back, we'll see some kind of similar system instead.
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    Its not being removed for good, its just going away till 5.3 So instead of upgradeing your current gear you will buy the new gear then be able to upgrade it when 5.3 comes around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voyager View Post
    GL with that if you're not in a top guild.
    Top guilds..true top guilds cleared all normals on the day they were out and all Hardmodes the week after. I think our definitions of a "Top guild" are rather different. The "best" 5 guilds on my server went pretty fast through normal modes and they are ranked between 1200 and 5500 worldwide. By no means "top" guilds. Yet by now they are half through all hardmodes.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    One cause is a cognitive bias called projection bias. Essentially living inside your own head your entire life makes it exceedingly difficult to understand how others do not also live your same life, think your same thoughts, and hold your same beliefs. In many cases it's quite frustrating to try to empathize and understand why you yourself may not be the center of the universe, which generally results in one 'acting out' in various ways.
    So, in short: the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Seriously? Normals raids are tuned to be done in ilv 463 gear from heroic 5 mans. Normal raids drop ilv 496. You need between 1.2 weeks and 2.2 weeks of capping valors to get 1 piece of ilv 483 or 496 gear. If that marginal upgrade is gonna make or break your "progress" now after 12 weeks (and that is progress in normals is uppose since we talk mandatory ilv 483 upgrades?) That is indeed not Top 50 material..it isn't even top 1000 material me thinks....

    Yes, "Anything that increases character power, should be done by any raider that is worth a spot.". But is it always and only gear? Knowing your class, knowing strats inside out...THAT should make the difference, really.
    Item upgrading works fine for heroic items, 6/6vaults 5/6hof 0/4toes 25hc atm, we had quite a few low% wipes on ambershaper hc before it finaly died. I am sorry to hear that you are still stuck on normals, but min-maxing isn't limited to those only, it helps everyone.

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    Fine with it, after all the complaining people did about not having enough valor I find it deliciously ironic that the same people will happily toss it down the sinkhole that is item upgrades.
    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    Gold and the 'need' for it in-game is easily one of the most overblown mindsets in this community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Top guilds..true top guilds cleared all normals on the day they were out and all Hardmodes the week after. I think our definitions of a "Top guild" are rather different. The "best" 5 guilds on my server went pretty fast through normal modes and they are ranked between 1200 and 5500 worldwide. By no means "top" guilds. Yet by now they are half through all hardmodes.
    No rank 5500 guild killed it with only 463 gear, they surely had 476/483 LFR and 489 valor items.

  14. #194
    Okay, summed up some points made by ppl...

    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroEdgeir View Post
    Love how any feature that offers even a 0.0001% boost to someone's character power becomes "mandatory" and "necessary".
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    People arguing about "mandatory work we are forced to do to be better". It's a GAME. Have some FUN in it, and don't be all about the math and numbers. You'll realize how much more enjoyable it can be, when you don't try to consume every ounce of content immediately.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gahmuret View Post
    That's why you don't just brainlessly upgrade everything straight away. You need to think ahead. And THAT is what causes all this whining and hatred.
    Quote Originally Posted by Byniri View Post
    THANK YOU. I'm so sick of people bitching constantly about "WAAAH, I'M REQUIRED TO DO THIS, WAAAH" for the stupid item upgrades. Bunch of tryhards.
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    I swear if Blizzard added an item in the game that increased all your stats by 20, but to be able to get it you had to kill every boss in the current tier 5 times, and it cost 30k gold, people would bitch and whine about it being 'mandatory'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Byniri View Post
    You don't need extreme min/maxing in order to raid, and I'm sick of people who say this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    Why do people continue to state that the game 'forces' you to do this?
    Because they can't think further than their own nose? They are afraid and, before all, jealous that someone else might be able to polish his gear a little bit more than they can. And still too dumb to understand that the weekly point caps make sure that no one actually gains any advantage, not with epics anyway. Guess bads are afraid that someone doing lots of dungeons can upgrade a few more JP blues than themselves?

    And then some less smart points:

    Quote Originally Posted by HardCoder View Post
    Requiring players to earn PvP gear is the dumb part.
    Not going to even start about how retarded that comment is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    I believe that the primary argument against having pvp upgrades (or at least upgrades to current season conq gear) is that the exceptional players that are able to gain very high ratings get far more conq points per week than other players, which means they effectively max out much sooner plus they have upgrades. These powered up characters can now make it more difficult for other players to break into higher brackets due to how the pvp system works. Basically, the upgrade system gives an even greater advantage to the elite pvp players.
    Whining, whining. You know that there's still a weekly cap for Conquest Points? Good players just get capped quicker. Bad ones have the rest of the week to do so.

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    End the thread they already said he will be back after people have time to clear the shit.
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    I'm truly not that bothered by its removal, besides there is a possablility it'll be back in 5.3, even then, it still does not bother me that much
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  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Byniri View Post
    THANK YOU. I'm so sick of people bitching constantly about "WAAAH, I'M REQUIRED TO DO THIS, WAAAH" for the stupid item upgrades. Bunch of tryhards.

    Min/maxing is NOT REQUIRED for raiding unless you're a top 100 competitive guild, and if you're in that you should be used to maxing out.

    VP/JP upgrades are supposed to be a valor dump so that if you already have all the valor gear you need, you can still progress your character by upgrading the gear slightly.

    The whole "it gives me power so I'm 100% required to do this" mentality is killing the game.

    I swear if Blizzard added an item in the game that increased all your stats by 20, but to be able to get it you had to kill every boss in the current tier 5 times, and it cost 30k gold, people would bitch and whine about it being 'mandatory'.

    edit: I completely agree with the complaints about upgrading pvp gear.
    On the other hand, it's a game. Everyone plays it differently, and since it's an MMO, there's bound to be competition. Don't tell me how I should play it. Min-max-ing is one of the few things that still differentiates players.

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