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E.g. if a cop asks me for my ID and I don't see why, I don't want to show him, but I will anyway because I just [EDIT: don't] want to get into some kind of argument and just want to move on. YMMV.
Last edited by lolalola; 2013-01-15 at 12:28 PM.
"When i am done with you, you won't trust your own mind."
There's a difference between being smart and shooting yourself in the foot. Your time to be smart is when you are IN the guild. That is your time to tell them what they are doing wrong so they can improve. As for shitty jobs? It's just the reality of the situation. Sucking up is a natural part of life and I wouldn't have got my current job if I said "Yeah I think your website looks tacky and you should change this and that, which is why you should hire me" to the IT-guy interviewer. Maybe some other IT guy interviewer would agree but he had just redesigned this site and liked it. Now I'm part of the company (admittedly that IT guy isn't even around anymore!) I have a lot more say in what goes on, my opinion is valued from day 1 of being in here, just like in a guild.It seems to me that you're follower of "don't be smart, be obedient" way and that's pretty much what applications is all about. No wonder you support them
It's about knowing when to speak and to pick your battles. It's a good thing for people to learn in a video game where repercussions are minimal, while we're on the subject.
I'm sure you being such the go-getter was the reason you landed your job (and you got that job immediately did you?) and not any previous experience / grades / connections / pure dumb luck.
Plenty of people try being over-confident on their interviews and showing off. There's a reason it isn't recommended.
While remembering that, I'm starting to think that this is indeed a good analogy with guilds and their requirements. In my searches I did visit several companies that reeked of mediocrity: tight small rooms with middle+ aged women shuffling papers around. Those generally had strictest forms and policies and offered lowest salaries. Many guilds are exactly like that.
What you consider specialized experience and others see it as is different (something we can't really bring over in the analogy unfortunately) but yes I agree there are some mediocre guilds with extremely right restrictions. There are still very few good/outstanding guilds (by progress standards) that avoid use of a screening process. How many of these jobs did you call out the work of the person (or people) conducting the interview? It's one thing to say to some executive that this thing an employee did of theirs could be employed, it's another to say that their own work could be improved. You are harming their ego before you even have your fit in the door at that point.
Sorry. You're being very over dramatic. Simply filling out a simple 15 minute guild app doesn;t make you a brainless WoW drone. It doesn't mean you are sucking up.
I think guild applications are just like job applications. If you don't want the job, don't fill out the app. Most people who are offended by the idea of a guild app are probably not so great under pressure and are afraid of failing the approval process. This, in and of iteself, is the purpose for an app in some guilds. They want people who know how good they are and are not afraid to step up and prove it.
For me, personally, I've only ever filled out one app, and I was accepted. The guild, however, already had its core teams and the rest of us felt more like numbers waiting to be called. So, I left that guild and moved into the one I am with now.
Applications are not a bad thing, just a scary thing for some people. People who fear rejection, or simply cannot handle it. It's ok if you are this type of person. You just need to understand that some clubs have rules, and one of those rules might be an application. It is their right to use the process as much as it is your right to not fill out the app.
It's all about preference. You want a guild without an app process? There are plenty out there, or you can even roll one for yourself. Easy stuff
Look, you're a tiny lil' minority. Most people wouldn't be hired if they wouldn't have the required eduction (too much education can also be a problem tho). It could be your personality or your attitude. Either way, for the rest of the world if you don't have the education you need experience/references or you won't get hired. Or connections/luck.
"When i am done with you, you won't trust your own mind."
One purpose a guild application serves is that you can use it to ask the applicant some questions, and see how they respond. Clearly your responses were beneficial to the guild in realizing why you should be declined.
For one, you didn't answer his question: What do you use to track your focus?
That alone proved, by your own virtue, that you don't belong in a good guild.
Currently a 14/14 Holy Paladin and 10/14 Discipline Priest in Siege of Orgrimmar
Formerly voidspark - 8/8 Demonology Warlock and Restoration Druid in Dragon Soul
Uh, I don't know what you're reading, but he never asked what she uses to track focus.
Because if i wanted to apply for something, that'd be a job.
Not a game.
Playing a game is not a job and is supposed to be fun, but if you aren't serious enough to fill out a 2-3min app, you aren't serious enough for me to bring you to my Operations.
People whisper me all the time while I am trying to lead our Ops, and I politely tell them "hey I am kinda busy right now, but here is our website, have a look and if you are interested feel free to fill out an app, thats the best way for us to get to know you quickly", and no one has ever had a problem with it.
WoW having more subs than SWTOR is the same thing as Justin Bieber having more youtube plays than Tupac. Just because its more popular doesn't mean its good.
Mitt Romney: Proof that Americans really are as stupid as the rest of the world thinks we are.