Well, maybe. Yes, so far I always got new job within a week of starting search. I don't think I can put in dumb luck seeing that it goes that way every time. For the record I have no official education (yes, you've read that right, no university), no connections as I've moved from my home city and while all my jobs were in IT, pretty much each new one was in somewhat different field, so I can't even claim any specialized IT experience.
While remembering that, I'm starting to think that this is indeed a good analogy with guilds and their requirements. In my searches I did visit several companies that reeked of mediocrity: tight small rooms with middle+ aged women shuffling papers around. Those generally had strictest forms and policies and offered lowest salaries. Many guilds are exactly like that.
What you consider specialized experience and others see it as is different (something we can't really bring over in the analogy unfortunately) but yes I agree there are some mediocre guilds with extremely right restrictions. There are still very few good/outstanding guilds (by progress standards) that avoid use of a screening process. How many of these jobs did you call out the work of the person (or people) conducting the interview? It's one thing to say to some executive that this thing an employee did of theirs could be employed, it's another to say that their own work could be improved. You are harming their ego before you even have your fit in the door at that point.
You are again making it either a obedient/intelligence decision. You can be both. Being obedient is just being respectful to your guild. You filled out that work application and did what your prospective employers wanted right? I doubt you walked into their offices, wearing only sweatpants and said "Hey bitches, give me a job, I'm a rebel and a badass."
Sorry. You're being very over dramatic. Simply filling out a simple 15 minute guild app doesn;t make you a brainless WoW drone. It doesn't mean you are sucking up.
I think guild applications are just like job applications. If you don't want the job, don't fill out the app. Most people who are offended by the idea of a guild app are probably not so great under pressure and are afraid of failing the approval process. This, in and of iteself, is the purpose for an app in some guilds. They want people who know how good they are and are not afraid to step up and prove it.
For me, personally, I've only ever filled out one app, and I was accepted. The guild, however, already had its core teams and the rest of us felt more like numbers waiting to be called. So, I left that guild and moved into the one I am with now.
Applications are not a bad thing, just a scary thing for some people. People who fear rejection, or simply cannot handle it. It's ok if you are this type of person. You just need to understand that some clubs have rules, and one of those rules might be an application. It is their right to use the process as much as it is your right to not fill out the app.
It's all about preference. You want a guild without an app process? There are plenty out there, or you can even roll one for yourself. Easy stuff
Yeah, heard that one before, but he started his career by starting his own company as internet entrepreneur in 1993. Now that was a good time to start your own ISP.
Look, you're a tiny lil' minority. Most people wouldn't be hired if they wouldn't have the required eduction (too much education can also be a problem tho). It could be your personality or your attitude. Either way, for the rest of the world if you don't have the education you need experience/references or you won't get hired. Or connections/luck.
I'm not exactly complaining about applications there (I'm not OP, BTW), I'm just agreeing with view expressed in this thread several times that many guilds have overcomplicated applications/requirements with many points on those often being hardly relevant to performance at all.
One purpose a guild application serves is that you can use it to ask the applicant some questions, and see how they respond. Clearly your responses were beneficial to the guild in realizing why you should be declined.
For one, you didn't answer his question: What do you use to track your focus?
That alone proved, by your own virtue, that you don't belong in a good guild.
Uh, I don't know what you're reading, but he never asked what she uses to track focus.
Because if i wanted to apply for something, that'd be a job.
Not a game.
Playing a game is not a job and is supposed to be fun, but if you aren't serious enough to fill out a 2-3min app, you aren't serious enough for me to bring you to my Operations.
People whisper me all the time while I am trying to lead our Ops, and I politely tell them "hey I am kinda busy right now, but here is our website, have a look and if you are interested feel free to fill out an app, thats the best way for us to get to know you quickly", and no one has ever had a problem with it.
There is no Bad RNG just Bad LTP
Considering both that the OP edited out their initial post and that the thread has deteriorated into off-topic OP bashing instead of discussion of guild applications, I'm closing this.