[Ret Ideas] Reworking Retribution

[Wooblez]

Just start with giving us a Ret passive that gives us old hand of freedom back that removes stuns when you use them. Slight tweaks to a few heals maybe on top of our damage buff will put rets in a respectable place probably.

[anaxie]

Syntaxx HoL on raid fights is usually #1 damage if it's below something is going wrong. It doesn't need a rework.

Burst means damage tied to cooldowns power the abilites themselves lack the power that chaining HoW does. That is the lfaw in the system.
A rework of HoL could potentially drop us from mid of pack to bottom.

[Anatzu]

This is mainly for PVP but instead of reworking anything/changing spells. SIMPLY give retribution a new baseline spell similar to the warriors "berserker rage". Instead of increasing our damage which would make it a carbon copy, have it increase our healing by 10% while granting us immunity to fear, sap, and incapacitate effects. Since we will most likely never be given a good gap closer compared to other classes at least this would at least help out in that department while increasing our sustainability tremendously for the simple fact of not being cc'd for an entire minute straight!! We could call this Righteous Aura or something similar. Give us this and i'm sure we will make the most out of it.

[Valedus]

Synt, that wouldn't really effect anything. Same DPS, same consistent damage (as HoL is happening consistently anyway), but way worse during our CD's, at least for PvP.) I don't like the idea because that would make such a large portion of our damage essentially delayed.

[Krekko]

This is mainly for PVP but instead of reworking anything/changing spells. SIMPLY give retribution a new baseline spell similar to the warriors "berserker rage". Instead of increasing our damage which would make it a carbon copy, have it increase our healing by 10% while granting us immunity to fear, sap, and incapacitate effects. Since we will most likely never be given a good gap closer compared to other classes at least this would at least help out in that department while increasing our sustainability tremendously for the simple fact of not being cc'd for an entire minute straight!! We could call this Righteous Aura or something similar. Give us this and i'm sure we will make the most out of it.

I think a good implementation of this would be on use "Auras" like they have Devotion Aura now.

Bring back the old TBC Sanctity Aura, implement a Concentration Aura, a Retribution Aura and all that good stuff and have it cover that gap.

I also for one would like to see our first tier of talents be Long Arm of the Law and or Speed of Light, Pursuit of Justice and then a Holy Leap spell like Tirion had so instead of having movement speed increases across the board you have an on demand movement speed, a passive movement speed (With ramping dependent on HP) and then a straight gap closer. One where you "turn into the light" and appear at the target.

I was thinking the other day it's nice to have options, but I'd love that extra leap option. Spell envy man.

[Gemo]

Currently our mastery only effects our special attacks(apart from exo). Wouldnt be better if it effected all of our attacks including white attacks? It should not be that op and buff to sustained. Or am I wrong?

[Valedus]

Currently our mastery only effects our special attacks(apart from exo). Wouldnt be better if it effected all of our attacks including white attacks? It should not be that op and buff to sustained. Or am I wrong?

It doesn't affect judgment either. No, HoL does not need a buff. Just ask Anaxie his thoughts on the topic - essentially, it is already a massive portion of our damage and we don't even stack mastery. If the buffs are still not enough, expect a small crusader strike buff because they'll be too scared to buff TV and exo and stuff because of PvPers bitching that Ret might actually get them below 80% outside CD's.

[Deleted]

More "finishers"

lol rets dont have finishers at all. hammer of wrath isnt a finisher. it hits 80% of a TV maximum, thats not a finisher, even if it pops up at 20% ... execute with 400k crit is a finisher. yoe definetely die, when you get hit. thats a "finisher". ret has nothing comparing to that. hammer of wrath is just sth that fills up the rotation, mixing anf fucking up the rotation as soon as sth is under 20% health ^^ even the 6second delayed finsiher of a Dk is better. it hits for 200k crit. thats okay. but wtf hammer is not afinisher at all ...

[MrImmortal]

lol rets dont have finishers at all. hammer of wrath isnt a finisher. it hits 80% of a TV maximum, thats not a finisher, even if it pops up at 20% ... execute with 400k crit is a finisher. yoe definetely die, when you get hit. thats a "finisher". ret has nothing comparing to that. hammer of wrath is just sth that fills up the rotation, mixing anf fucking up the rotation as soon as sth is under 20% health ^^ even the 6second delayed finsiher of a Dk is better. it hits for 200k crit. thats okay. but wtf hammer is not afinisher at all ...

Yeah it's not really a finisher anymore as it can be used when avenging wrath is active. Maybe better to give it an increased crit chance/crit damage when target is below 20% health as it used to be when avenging wrath was active at start of cata.

[Deleted]

So... What I read is that almost everyone of you wants sustainable damage buffed, but you also want to keep all the CDs and not make them useless like ES. Well here is a news flash, you can't have both.

Only way you could have it is to prevent cooldowns from stacking. When you pop AW you would have CD on ALL the other CDs for the duration of AW. Same would go with GoAK and HA.

And yes, it's a TERRIBLE idea and would make having so much CDs stupid.

[Frozenmerc]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...thenius/simple
This is my paladin, I clearly remember that in one battleground I got 8KBs, no deaths, and was top on the scoreboard for KBs, I honestly don't think that PvP ret paladins have a problem.

[Deleted]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...thenius/simple
This is my paladin, I clearly remember that in one battleground I got 8KBs, no deaths, and was top on the scoreboard for KBs, I honestly don't think that PvP ret paladins have a problem.

Troll spotted.

Preventing CDs stacking (just HA+AW, GoAK is on 5min CD so no restrictions needed) would be a good thing if accompanied by higher sustained imo

[Deleted]

Dhany, HoW is an Execute-like ability, not a finisher. We have other abilities as CP or HoPo builders and finishers, which use those CP/HoPo..