View Poll Results: Why Do You Think European Countries Generally Dislike Immigrants?

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  • I don't think they generally dislike immigrants.

    76 26.03%
  • Public perception of immigrants is negative due to their crime rates.

    59 20.21%
  • Public perception of immigrants is negative due to culture

    40 13.70%
  • Public perception of immigrants is due to their lack of assimilation.

    89 30.48%
  • Other

    28 9.59%
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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by artemishunter1 View Post
    In truth, culture always changes. There is no such thing as Finnish culture, even back in the past, culture borrowed stuff from other cultures and made them their own. Your culture changing is not something new, as your current culture is the result of blending to begin with. The only thing your people need to be careful about will be to take good stuff from the other culture, not the assholic things the other culture has.
    Yes, that's basically what i mean. I like different kind of people from all over the world, but i just can't stand the ones who go to a foreign country and are offended because people in that country don't know how to act according to the new comers rules and habits.

  2. #302
    immigrants doesnt mean rich or educated people.

    Immigrants in europe means analphabet poor victim of civil war, stemming from some hardcore islamic african or arabic country. Mostly criminal, illegal and tied to the mafia organization. They have to do work / crime / prostitution for the mafia, to pay back their fee. Those poor guys live to 10 th in one windowless room somewhere in a poor town quarter, and have to pay awesom rents to their houseowner / provider (which of course is the same mafie, or rocker gang, or what ever u call it). The little they earn they mostly send back to africa to their families, its like 20 Euros / month , which is huge there. (enough to keep a 20 people strong family fed)

    Whole family clans are throwing their money to gett to get one of their strongest young male adults to europe (it costs 15-30 k euros to get one guy smuggled into schengen), so that he can live / work / mostly sell drugs here. Thats the sad truth. Nigerian immigrants are the worst ever. Of course, most get caught on the border, have no passport no money and nothing. So they tell " i am from african country xy where civilwar and genocide is happening and i want asyl" and he can stay and sell drugs in EU for at least 2 years. Those guys dont learn the language, many cant even write or read. They are slaves to their mafia.

    That is what europeans refer to if u say "immigrants"

    Political refugees (afghanis, iraquis, bosniens/ serbians / albanians) were and are all accepted and welcomed, although most of them get here illegal by smugglers. I spent 6 month as a soldier on a Schengen-Border, when iraq and afghanistan war were at its heights. The smugglers just drive them to the border, they cross it, and then sit down waiting for the soldiers to arrest them. Next day, they make asyl request, and smugglers take them from the asyl center, to their final destination, as slave workers / criminals.

    Our team caught many of them, and all of them made their asylum inquiry, and after they got their initial money, the smugglers would take them from the asylum camp and spread them over whole europe. Black guys from nigeria were put into prison and send back to africa instantly.
    Black guys who had no paper and said they were from liberia (civil war back then), would gladly get asylum, so everyone throw away his passport and was from liberia. Thats the way it works. Try sending a photo to liberian authorities and ask who this guy is, if his name and so on is true and correct. Askyourself, if u actually mange to get an answer, wheter the mafia / smugglers , havent bought a liberian authority member.

    The poorest thing we ever caught, was a iraqui family, who was afraid like a boss from us soldiers. Those guys (father, uncle, 2 teenage sons and a 10 year old son) went from iraq to austrian / hungarian border on their own, and were nearly dying from starvation when we found them. they didnt even know what a banana was, and we had to show them how to eat it. One of the man was badly wounded in iraq war and had several splinters from bombs in his body.

    10 years later, their 2 wifes and 3 other family members and the 5 men still live in austria, with prolonged asylum, they have learned german, are working / going to school and are grateful to be able to live here without beeing bombed every day. That is the kind of people asylum is invented for, and thats something nearly everyone agrees with.

    For those black african scum out of nigeria, they should stay where they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemishunter1 View Post

    There is no such thing as Finnish culture.
    Brilliant. So what countries do have a culture?

  4. #304
    Kind of simple..

    Europeans (Americans as well) fear immigrants...

    If immigrants pull half the shit Europeans did/do then current day Europe would be destroyed....

    You know the majority of the things immigrants get accused of are stuff Europeans have done themselves towards others (think taking over countries, forcing their law and culture, stealing the wealth)

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    Because they generally are a burden for society. They don't like being here and makes lots of crime.

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    I think it's got a lot to do with immigrants not assimilating into our way of life. Most do, but of course you never hear about them, you always hear about the one's who want to bring their customs over to your country and try to make them mainstream (sharia for UK and such). I don't think immigration is a problem really. What pisses me off is when we can't kick someone out of our country because of their human rights to live here. That's bollocks.
    A lot of people from the UK (or atleast where I'm from) dislike the Polish quite a bit. When I was younger I jumped on that bandwagon but now I feel like a fool for doing so. I know quite a few Polish people, have a Polish family living two doors down from me. They're really nice people who work really hard for what they have. Same with a Thai lady who lives next door with her British husband (she's not a Thai bride btw, he lived there for like 30 years). Then I look across the street to see a family of fat, ignorant loud mouth pricks who don't work and have on more than one occasion been racist to the Thai lady because she's "taking our jobs", despite the fact she owns her own buisness. They live off benefits yet have the cheek to call these immigrants a drain on society? Sorry no.
    I'm all for immigrants coming here if they're prepared for work, and most are. It's only the rare cases of "I want free money so ima go UK" that get to the news, and most of the time the stories get twisted. Not fond of Gypsies though, but not sure if they count as immigrants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killingifrit View Post
    Brilliant. So what countries do have a culture?
    Countries don't necessarily have cultures. Ethnic regions do as well as ethnic unions. The United States has a culture, for example, since it is technically an ethnic union. Nordic people also have shared culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyopz View Post
    Countries don't necessarily have cultures. Ethnic regions do as well as ethnic unions. The United States has a culture, for example, since it is technically an ethnic union. Nordic people also have shared culture.
    Some shared culture due to once being a single. We are still very different in quite a lot of ways.
    Its not even 200 years ago we were at war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyopz View Post
    Countries don't necessarily have cultures. Ethnic regions do as well as ethnic unions. The United States has a culture, for example, since it is technically an ethnic union. Nordic people also have shared culture.
    If you're going to argue that the United States has a culture then I'm going to need examples of countries that don't, since I don't see how there is one distinct culture here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    Some shared culture due to once being a single. We are still very different in quite a lot of ways.
    Its not even 200 years ago we were at war.
    Who won? ;P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackmoves View Post
    Who won? ;P
    You cheated...

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    If you're going to argue that the United States has a culture then I'm going to need examples of countries that don't, since I don't see how there is one distinct culture here.
    States have cultures, the country is far too big to expect similar cultures throughout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clampy View Post
    States have cultures, the country is far too big to expect similar cultures throughout.
    Which is my point. There isn't a singular culture that one can point to.

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by zuluslayer View Post
    Because they generally are a burden for society. They don't like being here and makes lots of crime.
    This is absolute BS....

    It may be different per country but generally speaking the biggest criminals in absolute numbers in any country are usually the majority. You may have disproportional immigrants in jales based on % of ethnic background but that doesn't change much in terms of ''burden for society''

    The biggest damage isn't done by the petty criminal but by the guy whole robs millions/billions.

    Also people are so ungrateful, both Europe and the US are rich because of their colonial past (and in case of the US slavery) and having a large population of immigrants who worked (and works) for allot less.

  15. #315
    Speaking as someone who lives in the UK:

    I'm not against immigration as such. But there are large amounts of immigrants who have no interest in acquiring work and leech benefits having paid no tax in the UK ever, others who will work for less than minimum wage (taking jobs from those of us who demand the legal amount we're entitled to), many who insist they should be living here while refusing to make any conscious effort to learn the basics of the language. They often have their own seperate culture, and despite insistence on living in our country, they refuse to accept the culture and in some cases laws of our country, but instead set up their own communities within towns and refuse to cooperate with the police in any meaningful way.

    If I wanted to live in another country, I would make an effort to learn how to communicate, to actually find work and not mooch off of their government, and attempt to become a part of THEIR culture, not have my own little thing by myself and never interact with them ever. There are plenty of immigrants here who are fine, they work, they learn the language, they pay their way, and in every respect become a British citizen. But we're not like the US or other countries that have citizenship tests and requirements, it's very easy to come here and stay segregated. They segregate themselves, and then act upset when they're treated as outsiders. It's THOSE types of immigrants I really don't like.

  16. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by Psyopz View Post
    Uhm...

    they don't dislike immigrants. Have you ever been to Texas/California/Arizona/New Mexico? I've been to every one of them except for N.M.
    We don't dislike immigrants true, but we do dislike illegal immigrants.

  17. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    Just quite implicitly aiming at Latinos.
    Is it aimed at Latinos because of their skin color? No, it AFFECTS Latinos most because the OVERWHELMING majority of illegal immigrants in Arizona are Latino.

    Is racial profiling actually racist when the profiling is the result of a trend by that race? It's not like the bill says "get rid of all brown people." Rather than calling an attempt to lower crime in this country (illegal immigration is a crime) something with a negative connotation ("racial profiling"), how about you actually explain HOW it is wrong? Is it wrong for the cops to come to your door asking about a robbery if someone said a person who looked like you committed the crime? Maybe that analogy fits into the racist statement "they all look the same," but I've yet to hear ANY legitimate alternative to that bill, yet alone one that was feasible and beneficial to the country (free passes to law-breaking illegal immigrants is not beneficial to the country).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markluzz View Post
    We don't dislike immigrants true, but we do dislike illegal immigrants.
    Exactly, and that's the thing people refuse to acknowledge--those who want to find illegal immigrants and deport them (rather than giving them a pass on a federal crime and free things via welfare) are not against immigrants at all. I lived in a dorm where two roommates were from Ghana and Ethiopia. I was having a discussion of sorts with them (mainly the guy from Ghana) about how I feel about illegal immigrants (deport them; they are criminals), and the kid from Ethiopia asked if I had a problem with his being there. I asked if he was an illegal immigrant, and I think there was a bit of confusion on the term (seeing as he was from Ethiopia). He said he was, then when I said something to the effect of "you're an illegal immigrant?" he stated that he was legally allowed to be here to attend school. I straight-up told him "then I have no problem with your being here."

    I've got nothing against people based on where they are from or what their race or gender is. The issue I have is that there are many, MANY people here illegally. I do not care that they "do the work legal citizens do not want to." I do not care about these claims that the agricultural sector of the country will be greatly harmed if we deport illegals--if this country is too lazy/unwilling to do the hard work necessary to help it survive, then we don't deserve to survive.

    I get that the law in Arizona can cause racial profiling. I don't support that potential inconvenience/result from it, but there has to be SOME way to check who is and is not allowed to be here. If that means a law-abiding immigrant has to show a green card on occasion, that's not that bad. I mean, is that not worth getting overpopulation in the country under control (to an extent) and helping open up more jobs (even if they're low-level ones) for legal citizens?

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    Which is my point. There isn't a singular culture that one can point to.
    Yea sorry, wasn't a correction was just expanding on your point.

    Anyway, I don't hate immigrants, I hate immigrants that refuse to live with everyone else and instead decide to create communities of their native land and speak their own language etc.

    I am a brit living in Sweden and I am learning the language and will become a part of Swedens community instead of trying to surround myself with brits and only talk English.

    If you are going to live in a country...LIVE in that country.
    Last edited by Clampy; 2013-01-15 at 03:01 PM.

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  19. #319
    It depends on the country. But speaking as a Polish American (who immigrated to the States from Poland), most continental + northern Europeans are in a village mentality. There are shared interests and expected commonalities (skin color sometimes, not always). If you don't share them, they won't like you very much. Combine that with the fact they haven't had to deal with a significant immigrant demographic shift in a long time. Personally, I think it's funny. Europeans constantly talked about how Americans are bigoted and how progressive Europeans were yet now they are struggling more than we are.
    Last edited by NewOrleansTrolley; 2013-01-15 at 03:11 PM.

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    Obviously, the OP already have premade answer to his question..
    It's useless to try to explain things he dont know shit about, and dont want to hear.

    Dont feed the troll!

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