View Poll Results: Why Do You Think European Countries Generally Dislike Immigrants?

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  • I don't think they generally dislike immigrants.

    76 26.03%
  • Public perception of immigrants is negative due to their crime rates.

    59 20.21%
  • Public perception of immigrants is negative due to culture

    40 13.70%
  • Public perception of immigrants is due to their lack of assimilation.

    89 30.48%
  • Other

    28 9.59%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsage View Post
    Does that really happen? It sounds preposterous to me.
    Yes, it does happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    We already had this discussion, household owners are the ones that charge that much, we could've had it much cheaper if we could regulate how much profit a household owner can charge for an apartment.
    Doesn't change the fact they get more money than someone who is actually working right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazookaberit View Post
    Well, to be fair, most people coming from EU countries only stay for a couple of years while NA/ME immigrants stay for life.
    There was a large flood of immigrants in Sweden in the 60s and 70s, mainly from southern Europe, that settled in Sweden for life as well. Sweden's small golden age, so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    Doesn't change the fact they get more money than someone who is actually working right now.
    Because the household owners charge too much. What else can we do with immigrants? Let them live on the street while they wait? I think the state should start building immigration apartments owned by the state and not private businesses, at least then lots of tax money could be saved in the long run. Immigrants aren't to blame for costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    Because the household owners charge too much. What else can we do with immigrants? Let them live on the street while they wait? I think the state should start building immigration apartments owned by the state and not private businesses, at least then lots of tax money could be saved in the long run. Immigrants aren't to blame for costs.
    Not take them in, in the first place when it costs that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsage View Post
    Of course it has, it's called Greece. Can't blame them for getting hardcore about it, especially now.
    Greece usually gives them temporary documents and points them to Kulata where they try to get in by hiding in trucks/trains. Not a week goes by without a iraqi, afghan or a syrian group being caught around Kulata.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guilu View Post
    They're just being silly as usual, Bulgaria and Romania aren't part of the schengen space yet >.>
    This is one of the reason we are not in and probably wont get in soon. If we join everyone who gets in greece will have a free pass to go where he wants. I don't mind us being the buffer zone until Greece gets better security and loads of walls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umchilli View Post
    In germany in 20-30 years there won't be any more 'purebred' germans being born, they'll all be either 'pure' immigrant or mix of different people, and in London this year for the first time in history there were less pure Londoners than new and old immigrants. Those two examples alone show why some countries might not be so fond of immigrants because let's face it, everyone wants to preserve it's own heritage and who would want to see their country in 50 years being completely changed people wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    There was a large flood of immigrants in Sweden in the 60s and 70s, mainly from southern Europe, that settled in Sweden for life as well. Sweden's small golden age, so to speak.
    Yes , but that was some 40-50 years ago we had that wave of immigrants, those who come today from Poland, Germany etc only stay for a few years of studies, work here for less than 5 years etc. How do I know? I've worked at the swedish migration board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    Not take them in, in the first place when it costs that much.
    You'd rather cater to private businesses that juggle with human lifes in order to get as much profit as possible, or to people fleeing from horrible conditions in other countries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilu View Post
    What is wrong with you ? Purebreds ? The hell ?
    Might be pointing out that population in most EU countries is on a negative growth now, except for immigrants? Maybe, who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niberion View Post
    I don't think anyone has problems with the average house, yard n kitchen muslim, or any other immigrant that's willing to adapt, behave and work for his money.
    It's just that there are so many immigrants that simply aren't adapting, not willing to learn your language, to lazy to work living on the cost of the state, and troublemakers.

    Not to mention that just looking at them makes you a racist in their eyes, especially muslims are good at calling other people racists for no real reason. And knowing you'll end up with a whole group surrounding you ain't fun either, because that's another thing, they always are in group, never alone.

    And just to clarify, I have no troubles with immigrants and muslims and whatever, as long as they behave and adapt and don't act like lazy shit. On the other hand, if they immigrate for free money or to seek troubles, they can fuck off.
    That pretty much is the root cause of the problem.
    Nothing wrong with immigrants. Problems start when the immigrants don't come looking for better life through work, but instead just leech the country's social system. An educated immigrant that specializes in something won't have problem getting a job and won't need any welfare whatsoever. To expect that one can immigrate to country that is completely different culture and language while not being able to offer anything to the country is just preposterous.

    It has to be a two-way process. To immigrate into a country and expect to be tolerated and welcomed the immigrant has to give something back through his own work and effort to assimilate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    There was a large flood of immigrants in Sweden in the 60s and 70s, mainly from southern Europe, that settled in Sweden for life as well. Sweden's small golden age, so to speak.
    Yes, when we needed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    You'd rather cater to private businesses that juggle with human lifes in order to get as much profit as possible, or to people fleeing from horrible conditions in other countries?
    I don't particularly care for people with such views on women as those from west asia or ME/NA have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    Because the household owners charge too much. What else can we do with immigrants? Let them live on the street while they wait?
    If they're not refugees of war or something then we shouldn't take them in to begin with in that case when it ends up costing more money to the taxpayer because of piss poor bureaucracy. We should have no obligation to take immigrants, we take them if we want to but it shouldn't be forced upon us. There should only be somesort of an quota to be met when it comes to war refugees etc. like I mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiili View Post
    I don't particularly care for people with such views on women as those from west asia or ME/NA have.
    Why do you keep insisting on using stereotypes in order to prove a point?
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    Yes, when we needed it.
    And we don't need it now? We need a workforce that can pay taxes to keep our economy alive during these times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xzan View Post
    That pretty much is the root cause of the problem.
    Nothing wrong with immigrants. Problems start when the immigrants don't come looking for better life through work, but instead just leech the country's social system. An educated immigrant that specialized in something won't have problem getting a job and won't need any welfare whatsoever. To expect that one can immigrate to country that is completely different culture and language while not being able to offer anything to the country is just preposterous.
    Seems like there is a 2nd gen ghetto culture that's not integrating with the rest of society.. same problem that the americans have with their so-called minorities I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    Why do you keep insisting on using stereotypes in order to prove a point?
    Are you telling me the view upon women in the countries in the ME/NA or west asia region is perfectly healthy?
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    European countries don't 'generally' dislike immigrants. Just because a minority of the population is good at loudly voicing their opinion, doesn't mean that that is how people of those countries think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    If they're not refugees of war or something then we shouldn't take them in to begin with in that case when it ends up costing more money to the taxpayer because of piss poor bureaucracy.
    The government isn't gonna take care of this issue, apparently, so when they finally do I think it's a better idea to solve the bureaucracy rather than blocking immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilu View Post
    Seems like there is a 2nd gen ghetto culture that's not integrating with the rest of society.. same problem that the americans have with their so-called minorities I suppose.
    Yes, the problem isn't he 1st Gen immigrants usually. It is the 2nd Gen, who have some stick up their ass about the "Mother Country" and how great it is. 1st Gen are typically some of the best people.
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    It is the general mind setting to blame a group for the troubles of society.
    Hitler did it, Stalin did it, Mussolini did it and this is still going on.
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    It's hard to argue such a complex case on an internet board. But at the core the problem is not that European Countries dislike immigrants, it's the fact that our economy can't sustain so many coming in EVERY day. Europe doesn't dislike other cultures, other religions, but that doesn't mean that we should be paying for them either.

    Cus herein lies a big difference with the US. Immigrants can get a lot more welfare in Europe than in the US, due to our more socialist welfare driven system we have been developing for the last 50 years. Welfare the European population has been working for the last 50 year. Welfare that is intended to support our sick, elderly and less off, but was never intended to support the rest of the world as well.

    Some numbers from my own country Belgium:

    Unemployement in the entire country: 8.5%
    Unemployement in capital Brussels: 25%

    reason?

    Unemployement in capital Brussels for immigrant families: 50%

    25000 applications are made every year for naturalisation, but only half of those actually work and pay taxes, while the other half lives off welfare. This is an influx of people that a country as small as Belgium can't sustain. And this is only Belgium, a country they have to travel half the European region to get to. Meditterean countries like Greece, Malta, Cyprus, Southern Italy and Spain are getting a multitude of that number while being even less capable to sustain the influx due to their even worse economic state.

    The question should not be: "why are the European countries being big baddies and not allowing immigrants to come in?" The question should be: "why are these people leaving their home countries?"

    Instead of you trying to blame European countries of being racist, why don't you blame the backwards countries these people come from for being retarded? If you feel the need to better the world, go to these countries and fix their economy, fix their wars, fix their discrimination, fix their injustice against women/gay/other cultures. Maybe then the entire world as a whole will be better off. Instead of just Europe bank rolling the portion that moves here.

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