Why are the orcs and draenei still at war?

[Aquamonkey]

Are you implying that when Legion showed up to planet where Draenei never was, they planted flowers instead?

Archimonde disagreed on this obsession that occupied Kil’jaeden.
"There are worlds aplenty to conquer and devour, in service to our master Sargeras," Archimonde rumbled. The blackness glowed around them as his voice pierced it. "Let the fool go. We would sense it if he used his talents on any level that would pose a threat. Let him rot on some world, bereft of everything that mattered to him."
Kil’jaeden slowly turned his massive head to regard the other demon lord.
"It is not about rendering him powerless," Kil’jaeden hissed. "It is about destroying him and those foolish enough to have followed him. It is about crushing him for his lack of faith. For his stubbornness. For his refusal to think about what was best for all of us."
...
Archimonde was powerful, elegant, smooth, intelligent. But he lacked the burning desire for utter obliteration that Kil’jaeden nursed. He had explained it time and again, and now simply sighed and opted not to discuss the matter further. For centuries now, they had had this argument; no doubt they would continue to have it for centuries more ... or until Kil’jaeden succeeded in the destruction of the being who had once been his closest friend. Perhaps that was it. Kil’jaeden mused with a sudden enlightenment.
Archimonde had never had particular feelings for Velen other than as a fellow leader of the eredar. Kil’jaeden had loved Velen asa brother, closer than that, loved him almost as another aspect of himself
And then . ..
Again the huge hand clenched, and again unholy fire poured forth in lieu of blood.
No.
It would not be enough to think of Velen sitting on some backwater world, nursing his hurt pride, living off the land in some cave. Kil’jaeden once would have said he wanted blood. But blood, powerful in its own way as it was, would not satisfy him now. He wanted the essence of shame, of utter and complete humiliation. That would be even sweeter than the copperytaste of life flowing from Velen and his stupid followers.
...
So often before, Kil’jaeden's forces had descended upon a world where Velen was thought to be. only to have him escape. Kil’jaeden had nursed his insulted pride by destroying such worlds, but the slaughter of primitive races— though pleasant—did not slake his demonic thirst for complete and total revenge.

The Legion's standing orders were to conquer worlds and absorb them into the Legion.

The complete destruction and wholesale slaughter was due to a Kil'jaeden's crazed obsession with tracking down the Draenei. He treated the worlds touched by the Draenei much worse than any normal Legion target.

[Sandrox]

The Legion's standing orders were to conquer worlds and absorb them into the Legion. The complete destruction and wholesale slaughter was due to a Kil'jaeden's crazed obsession. He treated the worlds touched by the Draenei much worse than any normal Legion target.

What exactly is worse than enslavement or death?

[Verdugo]

What exactly is worse than enslavement or death?

Those "enslaved" look happy enough. I dont think you know what enslavement means.

[Deleted]

Only after the complete destruction of the Burning Legion, Forsaken and the Orcs will the world be completely cleansed. The Trolls and Tauren will then take over the Horde and form a pact with the Alliance, then go on to annihilate what remains of the old gods.

[Verdugo]

Only after the complete destruction of the Burning Legion, Forsaken and the Orcs will the world be completely cleansed. The Trolls and Tauren will then take over the Horde and form a pact with the Alliance, then go on to annihilate what remains of the old gods.

Or Forsaken will just wait while horde, alliance and legion will eat each other, then finish off the rest.

[rowaasr13]

they largely are misunderstood. not as misunderstood as they make themselves out to be, surely, but that doesn't excuse the reactions they get from the Alliance, it just gives them a reason.

you seem to be having an issue separating the two.
example, the Orcs slaughtered humans almost religiously in the first and second war. they lost the second war and in return the Humans enslaved them as basically work animals and treated them with horrible malice just to satisfy their own desire for vengeance. the Orcish Horde slaughtering humans and their allies was an excellent reason to do that. a reason explains something and the Orcish actions perfectly explain the Human reaction. it's a laughable excuse, an excuse...as the word hints.. EXCUSES something. there is no excuse for what they did, it's horrible and atrocious. it's understandable, but it's monstrous.

Excuse for caps, BUT IF YOU GOING TO WHITEWASH YOUR FAVORITE MURDERERS, CAN YOU AT LEAST GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT?
I'm fucking tired about this favorite retarded imbecilic lie of orc fans "humans wrongly imprisoned them".

Alliance MERCIFULLY chose to keep orcs indentured instead of putting them all to the sword. Also they detected that bloodlust is subsiding, so this gave orcs additional time to cool down. Alliance gave orcs HIGHEST MERCY ever seen in Warcraft. To people who just slaughtered thousands of Alliance and pillaged through its lands. It was so controversial that some kingdoms even left Alliance just because of this decision.

In a sense, Horder really "exists because of Alliance", because if not for Alliance, every orc would be dead or forever in demon's control now. Alliance basically saved orcs from extinction.

But of course for every fanboy it is a sin. Because they didn't gave each orc a personal palace and harem or what?

[Deathgoose]

Was Theramore being used to conductive an aggressive Campaign against the Horde?

Were the actions taken in the Barrens and Stonetalon a direct result of an aggressive campaign into Ashenvale by the Horde?

[Deleted]

Were the actions taken in the Barrens and Stonetalon a direct result of an aggressive campaign into Ashenvale by the Horde?

Yes they were.

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Or Forsaken will just wait while horde, alliance and legion will eat each other, then finish off the rest.

They don't have the numbers. Especially since they'll be among the first targets of the Horde/Alliance pact.

[rowaasr13]

since if the Kaldorei aren't going to share their toys, we'll just take them.

"No, we are not fucktarded murderous pillagers, we will just behave like ones, but otherwise we're simple misunderstood people, I swear!"

[mistuhbull]

Excuse for caps, BUT IF YOU GOING TO WHITEWASH YOUR FAVORITE MURDERERS, CAN YOU AT LEAST GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT?
I'm fucking tired about this favorite retarded imbecilic lie of orc fans "humans wrongly imprisoned them".

Alliance MERCIFULLY chose to keep orcs indentured instead of putting them all to the sword. Also they detected that bloodlust is subsiding, so this gave orcs additional time to cool down. Alliance gave orcs HIGHEST MERCY ever seen in Warcraft. To people who just slaughtered thousands of Alliance and pillaged through its lands. It was so controversial that some kingdoms even left Alliance just because of this decision.

In a sense, Horder really "exists because of Alliance", because if not for Alliance, every orc would be dead or forever in demon's control now. Alliance basically saved orcs from extinction.

But of course for every fanboy it is a sin. Because they didn't gave each orc a personal palace and harem or what?

you see it as mercy, do the Orcs?

Does a people whose worldview is shaped by the ideal of honorable combat see it as mercy to chain them like dogs rather than allowing them their honorable death on the battlefield?

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Were the actions taken in the Barrens and Stonetalon a direct result of an aggressive campaign into Ashenvale by the Horde?

does it matter?

The claim was that the attack on Theramore was unwarranted. Theramore ordered/allowed/supported aggressive campaigns into Horde territory, in this way they involved themselves as a combatant and a legitimate military target.

[Deleted]

Because they're idiots.

[Haven]

Or Forsaken will just wait while horde, alliance and legion will eat each other, then finish off the rest.

Shhhhhhhh! It's a secret to everybody.

[Aquamonkey]

What exactly is worse than enslavement or death?

Perhaps I didn't make it clear. The Sargeras' orders to Archimond and Kil'jaeden was not to destroy all life, it was to seek out new worlds to conquer and absorb them into the Legion in order to make the Legion stronger.

Kil'jaeden "loved [Velen] almost as another aspect of himself." So when Velen "betrayed" Kil'jaeden, he was crushed and filled with hatred towards Velen. Kil'jaeden disregarded his standing orders when it came to worlds touched by the Draenei. He brutally murdered all indigenous people of these worlds, wiping them from existence. The Draenei coming to your planet was the touch of death.

[Sandrox]

Perhaps I didn't make it clear. The Sargeras' orders to Archimond and Kil'jaeden was not to destroy all life, it was to seek out new worlds to conquer and absorb them into the Legion in order to make the Legion stronger.

Kil'jaeden "loved [Velen] almost as another aspect of himself." So when Velen "betrayed" Kil'jaeden, he was crushed and filled with hatred towards Velen. Kil'jaeden disregarded his standing orders when it came to worlds touched by the Draenei. He brutally murdered all indigenous people of these worlds, wiping them from existence. The Draenei coming to your planet was the touch of death.

Still not seeing a difference. The legion coming to your world means your fucked, with the draenei there or not.

[Aquamonkey]

Still not seeing a difference. The legion coming to your world means your fucked, with the draenei there or not.

At least if you are enslaved, there exists the potential for salvation as like what happened with the Orcs. Though they broke free of the Legion, they haven't quite reached the salvation part. But that's coming when they join the Army of the Light.

[Sandrox]

At least if you are enslaved, there exists the potential for salvation as like what happened with the Orcs. Though they broke free of the Legion, they haven't quite reached the salvation part. But that's coming when they join the Army of the Light.

Orcs werent enslaved, merely corrupted. Enslaved by the Legion is what happened to the Sayaadi and the Mo'arg.

[Tenjen]

When the legion REALLY convert a race, there is no salvation. and whats left behind is more like what the Combine or reapers do.

You cant call what they turn the conquered races into a "survival" of the race. its a twisted horrific form of its former race. Nothing that once made them is left. Just a chaos filled mass of legion-serving hate. its an affront to everything they once were (unless already evil and chaotic).

[Deleted]

At least if you are enslaved, there exists the potential for salvation as like what happened with the Orcs. Though they broke free of the Legion, they haven't quite reached the salvation part. But that's coming when they join the Army of the Light.

And then... orc paladins!

[mistuhbull]

And then... orc paladins!

Orc shamans recognizing the Holy Light as an Element and the Naaru as their Elementals have created a martial order called the Oshu'gol (or Gol'gun depending on which part of Oshu'gun means spirit) or Spirit Axes.

Yes, I have thought of this before

[Trassk]

Light and darkness are elements in themselves, they are just more abstract versions of the elements of nature.

Also, the holy light has shown it only takes having some kind of faith to wield it, the sunwalkers found this out, and the blood elves (after the sunwell was restored) found it to. And unlike forsaken, orcs are no more effected by holy light then any other living mortal, being how tirion healed eitrigg with it.

So, orc paladins are not beyond the realms of possibility. Infact the russian made mmo game Allods has orc paladins in it, which they call Reavers.