With the pvp power change and these changes i can be decent again in wpvp.
Im surprised you understood what he meant, i take it like that because your leg comment made it sound like you are aware that he meant that ele shamans are so shit that ret paladins seems decent.
Im honestly surprised. Am i right about this?
Btw i was about to say something about the Devotion Aura but the poster deleted it. Its funny because she called him clueless lmao.
Last edited by naturetauren; 2013-01-17 at 11:17 AM.
The point is that if other specs have at least DOUBLE the defensive with half CD, with better reliability (not dispelable) than a spec, the survivability is not balanced.
Ret only mitigates magic damage with DProt and if we're not CCd while other classes uses it counterparts to remove CCs.
Outside of Divine Shield that is dispelable and 5 min CD, there's not something reliable that will keep us alive without sacrificing GCDs/Damage and even sacrificing them, it's not as effective as a Second Wind ALONE - not to mention Exhiliration, Dark Regeneration, Cold Snap and whatever. Dispersion by itself its a BETTER Divine Shield as a defensive on a 2 min CD.
That's what people mean by "Ret got no survivability" - our only reliable one is on a 5 min CD and it's dispelable and the rest are weaker than others and costs us more resources than the other specs.
And as I said on my post: it's not a Ret problem alone. The only DPS hybrid with exclusive tools is SPriest: Dispersion, Horror, etc... exclusive tools to make a non healer alive, like any other DPS has. Blizzard seems to think that since a Holy Pala can heal self during burst or on small windows or instant without sacrificing they're main role, Ret can too. But Ret can't heal as much as other DPS specs, can't mitigate, CC, kite, etc as much as other DPS specs, and can't even TRY without sacrificing DPS that other DPS specs do. And that's a Elemental and Enhancement problem too. Though I think they're already better than Ret on 5.2 with Shamanistic Rage Glyphed - 1 min CD not dispelable is WAY more reliable than a 5 min CD dispelable.
At LEAST DProt have to dispel a CC like all the other defs CDs.
"I notice my rating actually boosts when I remember to have fun. Playing competitively while also enjoying yourself and focussing on having good games instead of getting rating is way more important.
After 2.2k the fun devolves into a twisted realm suffering and despair and you will quit pvp from extreme traumatic stress and you will probably xfer to Moon Guard and join some Belf rp guild and become a prostitute in Silvermoon."by Clukclukbewm
They are arguing with him and calling me stupid because they cant understand a simple thing as a survival CD. I already know that ret paladins got it hard and yes i want better protection but im just talking about the basics.
A survival CD. It might be OP, it might suck, it might just last 1 sec, it might get dispelled, it might have a long CD, but its a survival CD. It pisses me off to see people telling me im stupid for understanding such a simple thing.
Heres a pro lesson for these scientists: Even if a survival CD lasts for a split second and only reduces one percent damage, it is a survival CD. You cant notice it, but its basicly a survival CD no mather how bad it is.
Last edited by naturetauren; 2013-01-17 at 11:28 AM.
This is a PALADIN forum! We do not need to defend ourself, go to your own class forum and cry about how weak your class is(cause that's what you think). This is for Paladins and we keep this PALADIN, I got nothing to do with a bunch of totemhuggers.
Did you even think that Renew in CATA was not a heal because you got necro striked?
Last edited by naturetauren; 2013-01-17 at 12:39 PM.
seriously though what is up with the reading comprehensions of people here. go and read my first post again very carefully the quote first. It says: "Retri has got no survivability abilities whatsoever" yet they do. That's all I'm saying retri does have defensive abilities. I'M IN NO WAY SAYING THEY ARE EITHER GOOD OR BAD.
Last edited by label strew; 2013-01-17 at 12:30 PM.
I do love my paladin class and these buffs are very welcome indeed but sometimes i want to quit this class because im embarrassed but i cant because i love paladins.
Usually i listen to others opinions but this forum is not one of those.
Last edited by naturetauren; 2013-01-17 at 12:51 PM.
Alright, that's it. If we're just going to degenerate this in to a bunch of mud slinging, we're going to lock the thread.