You could get a set a bit cheaper by ordering it or the mats beforehand and waiting but that's about it.
EDIT: yeah, current prices, might have been much cheaper at first when gold was scarcer, but now 18 gold per set of armor is pretty much the standard price I expect to pay (and I buy a lot of armor sets for my various builds...)
Also so many people whining about these FREE updates, major updates even, because 1 area of the game gets 1% less attention than another.
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296 Orichalcum Ore
96 Ancient Wood Logs
70 Globs of Ectoplasm
74 Gossamer Scraps
130 Spool of Gossamer Thread
45 T6 crafting materials
25 T6 gems
And/or was able to fill in what he was missing with gold. These numbers were not pulled from my ass, that's the actual mat cost for a full set of Draconic armor, exotic rings/earrings/amulet, and 3 weapons (2H and MH/OH from Weaponsmithing)
Now let's talk about Karma. I've leveled 6 characters to 80, all have been in the neighborhood of 15-40k karma upon reaching 80, completing their personal story, and 100% completing the 3 Orr zones (I'm a masochist, that's the only explanation). That means if you spend 0 karma and do all the events you can find, you might be able to buy one piece of armor.
The fact of the matter is you don't need a full set of exotics to be effective at 80, but you need to check what you're shoveling if you're going to say that when you hit 80 the path to being decked out in exotics requires no effort.
Last edited by Drakhar; 2013-01-22 at 07:24 PM.
Second of all, leveling most of the armor-making professions in this game is expensive enough that by the time you're even able to make level 80 exotics you'll have spent enough gold to buy a couple of exotics. Of course, you can grind the mats yourself by farming mobs, but we are talking about avoiding grinds (not to mention it would be a TON more efficient to just grind gold at level 80)... and no, you will not get anywhere near the materials to level a crafting profession just out of drops on the way to 80.
Crafting is amazingly useless for cost savings in this game because people use it for speed leveling and dump tons of crafted stuff for cheap on the AH to get some of the money back. I leveled tailoring and jewelery while leveling on my first char thinking that I'd get a gear set cheaper with that and I ended up level 80 with no money and not even maxed profs. Then I dumped some money in the professions so that I could make armor that cost more to make than to just buy off the auction house. On my second char I decided to forget crafting, just leveled, and found myself with enough gold and karma that I could have bought a full set of level 80 exotic armor AND trinkets right away after hitting 80 (if only the karma sets weren't rubbish)...
Of course, on the second toon I knew how to make money efficiently while leveling (eg salvaging soulbound personal quest line rewards for valuable sigils, not something at all obvious the first time), but still, crafting is a completely useless money sink for a first char in this game.
I find this hilarious, I've got 5 lvl 80s now and in total I have 12 exotic sets. Getting my first toon decked out in full exotics took one week max.
For your lovely wood/ori BS I give you this: from gathering (only in orr) you can get 45ori ore/day/toon. If you get the mats you need you'll need to gather a maximum of 6days. That's 30min *6 = 180min or a whopping 3h, such a grind...
People also seem to be forgetting that if you do 3paths of any given dungeon you have enough emblems to buy any of the "cheap" armour items as well... Meaning it will take even less time (probably a day or 3) to get decked out in exotics. Granted you'll look like a picasso painting but if you want to look cool, that's when you grind.
I won't really quote anyone because it's just too much.
But one might have thought that Crafting (such as in many games) is usually a bad idea to start with. It's been so many years in WoW experiences where the starters ask what prof should they take, and the answer is always the same. Get 2 gathering and sell everything...you don't really get anything out of blacksmith anyways untill you hit max level, and then you have multiple choices to go on, including getting a blacksmith profession. You don't even need professions to gather in gw2. Ive used for a few exp boosts on my characters and I still find myself with plenty (bank is loaded with mats)
I think people also don't realize that crafting is a feature where you use the way you like it. Alot of people love the discovery part and crafting different stuff, so for one it's there for fun! Some use for a little exp boost...and so on.
And about the costs said by Drak. Yep they are there...it's not as much as you would like to show but there are costs. But if you don't have a bit of money, and some of those mats after playing 100% on 3 Orr zones you are probably playing a different game than I. 130 Spools of Goss might sound like the era of a grind, but you can buy that with 1g..
Yeah you don't need any of those items right away even...my ranger "full" exotic is still going with an gold axe for swap. There is a difference in effort and playing the game.
Let me do a quick search. You don't have to buy the CRAFTED exotics.
I still have yellow rings
but the exotic for your basic parts comes out ~15 or so. And thank you to inflation! That's not a hard amount of money to farm. Go hit the oric points and do some events, it is going to take you around 2 days for the best gear you are going to see outside fractals. Yes you are going to pay more for the rings, but you can do literally all the content in the game without the exotics and only using rares, so no. There is not a gear gate in any meaningful use of the word.
And just as an aside, I have to ROFL at the guy who said I could just afford it because it was pre-inflation absolutely forgetting that inflation actually hits the things you sell just as much as the things you buy. Come on now. I make way more gold selling stuff than I ever did.
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I had around 70k karma, just by running around doing stuff.
I did level crafting about half way through or just past the silk stuff but then I got bored and decided to AH any mats that were worth anything.
All the items that I bought were with gold since I never got a decent exotic from zone completion for my class,but I did get to sell a few heavy and medium exotics for quite a few pennies.
Also I'm the guy that said running around hunting for stuff felt grindy.
Someone above me was correct about not having exotic rings, just settled with yellow there. But I guess I can craft my one, since I have 250 of every ore and tons of mats ( never sold those).
Last edited by Diocassius; 2013-01-23 at 09:54 AM.
I think people are missing my point, even when it's in the quote they use... I'm not saying gearing is a significant grind, I'm not saying having exotics is even important, I'm just calling people out on their bullshit that exotics are easy to obtain (still not seen a single drop in 500 hours playtime), cheap, easy to craft, or whatever other erroneous comment they found up one of their orifices.
Open world rewards are also still shit, and I don't see how you could have more than about 5-6g by leveling normally to 80 unless you get amazingly lucky with drops.
Last edited by Drakhar; 2013-01-23 at 02:35 PM.
Of note, apparently my 6870 died on me completely and will be missing the (yawn) January update, most likely the February one too (which will soon enough be telling us to temper our hopes, it's not "that big"). Maybe back in time for March's or April's for when we can start to see some of this "expansion sized worthy content that's so awesome especially because it's free"?
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What is wrong is his statement. "there is a small difference between mf gear and other gear when min-maxing."
There's quite a significant difference due to how power/prec/crit scale. You lose the most important stat (crit) when you grab the equivalent mf gear.
If he simply said "I rock mf gear since It's still ok dmg while giving me slightly better drops" I would agree, but stating mf vs berserker doesn't matter from a min-maxing standpoint is simply wrong.