2% is a little rough right ? :/
2% is a little rough right ? :/
Actually, looking at my logs from last night, it's not that brutal. Since Muscle memory is not affected by that nerf (still 4%), and considering we now have 2 free mana tea tied to chi brew every 45sec...
meh, we'll be alright.
Could someone with twitter tell the developers that part of the monk spirit problem ist not our skillset but the meta gem + muscle memory.
Without the Meta & Horridons loop we would require way more spirit. Especially in 10 N enviroment. It looks like devs are only data mining but not playing MW monks. SOmeone with knowledge of Monks would have removed muscle memory from meta proc.....
We will be ok as long as we do have such a MG
Last edited by anfis; 2013-07-19 at 06:55 AM.
It's a pretty big nerf, mana tea regeneration has just been cut in half. For a well geared mistweaver (i.e. my armory) that's roughly in the realm of logging in and having -10500 spirit. If you want to compensate that you're going to need to at least get rid of 16%+ of your output. Not going to happen.
Somewhat cushions the MT nerf, effectively lets you gear for 1% more output. We lose 25% of our most effective form of healing.
Now made difficult to use on 99% of fights, because it can't be targetted and forgotten about, and it's not like the melee aren't going to be topped with god mode healing rain.
tl;dr: We're absolutely not going to care about this at all, all it does is make spot healing outside of T30 talents and gaming the legendary entirely over punishing relative to how effective it is. As is, next patch is going to be sitting in melee with Serpent's Zeal twiddling your thumbs until renewing mist/expel harm/zen sphere come off cooldown or your legendary procs so you can get two jabs in without decimating your mana. RJW will be used for it's double HPM during AoE phases but nothing apart from staple heals and uplift will be cast between, so it won't be a real input increase, it will just be a dampen the effects of the nerf on our short term mana during AoE phases. People will almost definitely be using Zen Sphere now because of the completely needless nerf to Chi Burst's usability in a real situation, and the fact it will munch globals.
Also regarding the entirely needless nerfs to our effective healing, why do I now need to consciously rotate my character to aim at people instead of clicking my frames and relying on my general knowledge of where a player is as opposed to where I'm facing in the clump of melee spell effects? Why is Chi Brew being nerfed so the brunt of our most effective healing is now reduced by 25%? Seems entirely unwarranted considering we've just been nerfed into a position of doing absolutely nothing for 50% of a fight.
what amount of crit rating will be possible with the 553 + gear and trinkets ? I try to decide between more crit and spirit.
Might be pure crit gemming any improvement?
I wonder why even in our place in raids, u guys talk about nerfs as we need'em?
I mean, on my case I play 10N. For 10N a monk just loses his fully potential and everyday I play, I see that other classes are way better in some points: raid cooldowns, utility, etc. Aside from LMG/Tigerpalm spam that is retarded, I don't get the idea that we need nerfs.
i did not demand them but expected them. The buffs to the other healers should already have placed us in the middle of the pack from a data mining standpoint. With this nerf we need to sacrifice throughput stats or hope on an impressive crit rating.
For data miners we are looking great on paper and our flaws (spirit/Mastery) do increase this good on paper image. Classes are balanced purely on data mining and not experience.
GC is a system designer which translates into data analysis of charts and designing a system around mined data.
In all cases we need to figure out ways to compensate for this nerf.
Ways to compensate:
- We need more LGM and Trinket procs -> more haste
- We need more tea stacks -> more crit
- we need more regen -> maybe 3-5k more spirit
Negative side effects of this change:
-Loss of throughput stats
-Loss of global cooldowns used for tea
Q:How much haste can we get?
A:A lot if the trinkets will not change.
Q:How much will the trinkets and cloak influence our gameplay?
A:Only calculated data available. We need to see how it plays out.
Q:Will crit get more important?
A:Yes, the additional tea stack is really important but we will be busy wasting global cooldowns on tea.
I need a lot more input on this Somehow i feel starved on data...
to be continued...
Last edited by anfis; 2013-07-19 at 08:03 AM.
If you think that talking about nerfs is bollocks, does not matter. Just go back to the US and EU forums and I'll be there too.
No reason to be a fool, dude.
In the end additional spirit might be more vital
I will let this change settle and try to get to a better solution once i have time to calculate the data without emotions.
P.S.: Sorry for the first post about dev decision finding but it was an emotional reaction on the dicision they made which looks odd out of my perspective.I'm still a human
Last edited by anfis; 2013-07-19 at 08:12 AM.
This week on twins I got 684000 mana from mana tea, 299450 mana from swrpent's vitality and 60000 mana from TP. Means I would get 342000 mana from mana tea instead. I ended the fight with about 200000 mana so I would have to find 100k mana from somewhere (probably from not spamming SCK like a tardface in p1 and after Suen died to boost my HPS.
Truly I don't think it's a big change. We'll lose output sure, but ReM and Uplift already do huge amounts of overheating as it is. If that number is directly reduced through gearing into more spirit and as a result we would keep the same eHPS then the change just requires us to not suck when Lucidity is up.
Last edited by Floopa; 2013-07-19 at 08:16 AM.
In brighter news, the healer cloak seems to have 1RPPM. We could end up going haste and getting a 1/3 uptime on it.
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http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7761886114 is the link if anybody missed it earlier on. Pretty sure there's a US thread too, so make sure to leave constructive feedback! We don't have a 40 page thread like paladins. Bit hard to leave feedback when the change isn't even on the PTR yet, but whatever.