The Serpent’s Accord: A Mistweaver PvE Guide [5.4]

[Tatuin]

So to boost other healers HPS we should run wiht RJW?

i would love to if ZS would be more viabel

[Astraios]

Using revival with 2x trinket procs (+ probably some cleaving) = 5.6 mil revival with 40%~ overhealing...seems legit.

Can anyone else get purified? None of my adds died, I didn't die, come up with 5)% corruption, wtf.

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Using revival with 2x trinket procs (+ probably some cleaving) = 5.6 mil revival with 40%~ overhealing...seems legit.

Can anyone else get purified? None of my adds died, I didn't die, come up with 5)% corruption, wtf.

It's a time trial I think, higher HP your adds are the more damage they do. Fistweaving is by far the best way to do it but his HP and damage (scaled up in 25 man for some god awful reason) restricts it.

Also, nice you're getting those kind of revivals. Mine are struggling to hit for 2.5m

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So to boost other healers HPS we should run wiht RJW?

i would love to if ZS would be more viabel

It's contributing to this mastery debacle I think, so for now it could well be the best talent for AoE fights.

[Astraios]

I've seen multiple 4-5 mil revivals, most likely from double trinket procs, such as on Nazgarim. The other healers raged at me and were like "fucking serous, wtf kind of revival was that". (still topping the whole raid off before tranq/HTT have a chance to heal anyone lolol.)

Time trial in what way? I dont have to just keep them alive, I have to kill the add? That's stupid. I'm chain casting to keep people alive and I've never been purified?

[Deleted]

Looking at other logs and some from an unmentioned mistweaver who has 50% mastery, it's still not the best stat but it's certainly shot up in value (maybe better than haste?) The behaviour I have noted in this post here is happening (look under increased mastery section).


Here are some logs;
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-sm...?s=2681&e=3063
Chi Torp

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-sm...?s=4041&e=4464
Rushing Jade Wind

Notice how pretty much 100% of the gains in SCK healing were lost in uplifts, as a bonus my mana was incredibly poor from trying to keep it up the entire fight (which is the only reason it did so much healing). This talent just needs something done to it, bit of a disgrace it's gotten this far.

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Time trial in what way? I dont have to just keep them alive, I have to kill the add? That's stupid. I'm chain casting to keep people alive and I've never been purified?

Yeah I think so, every time I killed the add with fistweaving I got the buff and every time I didn't and just healed adds I got ported out and nothing happened.

[Tatuin]

Have they mabye stelth buff our mastery for some reason or?

[Astraios]

No, only when on stacked fights while using thok's did mastery do exceptionally well. Most of the time mastery was terrible.

[Yonie]

I'm using CT because Xuen is absolutely terrible (AKA it just dies or doesn't hit norushen and I want the healing from CT or I might try RJW.)

CT was amazing on Norushen with the whole raid stacked. I topped the meters every single pull, without Thok. Now I'm happy and our druid is crying.

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IDK on my best attempts I was seeing 5 million or so from CT from memory, it just feels wrong to press now that SCK smart heals.

[Tatuin]

lol reg did you really try out a 50% mastery build? thats insane :S

btw nice avatar :P

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It wasn't me, those logs are crit entirely.

[Astraios]

CT was amazing on Norushen with the whole raid stacked. I topped the meters every single pull, without Thok. Now I'm happy and our druid is crying.

Depends on what you mean by stacked. We should've stacked but it never really worked. Not to mention, even if you're stacked, the only time you should probably use CT while stacked is if you're weaving it between uplifts since SCK is such high HPS these days.

[Floopa]

On Norushen you have 60 seconds (as a healer) to kill the add. The guys who help you do more damage based on hp. The most effective way I found to do it was by CBing from mage into boss thus healing the 2 melee guys, ReM everyone, CT through mage into boss and CJL as filler. Normally completed with 15-20 seconds left when I did it right and didn't screw up. Also, if you get the magic debuff you can Diffuse Magic and return it to the mob. Free 500k damage.

Also, I had good results on Norushen as well. Xuen is bugged so his lightning doesn't hit the boss or adds inside the Serenity realm, CT is simply insane though. It easily compares with SCK as the top heal. While Shaman are stronger (and maybe Paladins too depending on how big of a buff the GoAK change is for 25 mans) we'll be 2nd or 3rd best healer on this fight.

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On Norushen you have 60 seconds (as a healer) to kill the add. The guys who help you do more damage based on hp. The most effective way I found to do it was by CBing from mage into boss thus healing the 2 melee guys, ReM everyone, CT through mage into boss and CJL as filler. Normally completed with 15-20 seconds left when I did it right and didn't screw up. Also, if you get the magic debuff you can Diffuse Magic and return it to the mob. Free 500k damage.

It's working in pve? wtf

[Yonie]

Also, I had good results on Norushen as well. Xuen is bugged so his lightning doesn't hit the boss or adds inside the Serenity realm, CT is simply insane though. It easily compares with SCK as the top heal.

That's what I saw too. And we didn't have shamans, but everyone else didn't stand a chance.

The challenge was awful though. Stupid NPC were standing in fire and dying faster than I could heal them.

[iDrunkenheal]

On Norushen you have 60 seconds (as a healer) to kill the add. The guys who help you do more damage based on hp. The most effective way I found to do it was by CBing from mage into boss thus healing the 2 melee guys, ReM everyone, CT through mage into boss and CJL as filler. Normally completed with 15-20 seconds left when I did it right and didn't screw up. Also, if you get the magic debuff you can Diffuse Magic and return it to the mob. Free 500k damage.

Also, I had good results on Norushen as well. Xuen is bugged so his lightning doesn't hit the boss or adds inside the Serenity realm, CT is simply insane though. It easily compares with SCK as the top heal. While Shaman are stronger (and maybe Paladins too depending on how big of a buff the GoAK change is for 25 mans) we'll be 2nd or 3rd best healer on this fight.

I just keep ReM up and uplift while fist weaving. Works out pretty well.

[Geodew]

Random question: Anyone work out the average chi generation of SooM? And does the building 15% thing reset if you cast something else?

[Nakanai]

Random question: Anyone work out the average chi generation of SooM? And does the building 15% thing reset if you cast something else?

I remember someone doing a number of statistical analyses when the "bad luck protection" mechanic was added in, but I skimmed through a bunch of pages of the Sticky from that time and couldn't find them. I'll keep looking, and update if I end up finding the posts in question. I BELIEVE that the "bad luck protection" resets when you switch targets but not when you cast another spell (so using ReM on CD doesn't hurt you). I distinctly remember the "bad luck protection" not resetting when you spam SoM on a single target.

Update:
Found it! Turns out, it wasn't in the Sticky thread. Analysis starts here and continues over the remaining thread pages:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post20345640

[TheTrueM4gg0t]

If you don't want do scan our whole discussion:
I wrote a simulator for the case that SoM remembers it's state after interruption (chimerian verified this behaviour through long ingame testing)
It only accounts for single target use, I dont know how switching targets interacts with SoM though :-(

In such a scenario average Chance to get Chi per tick is 34.02%
In 92.3% of the cases you'll get a Chi in 2-4 ticks. (Before the change outliers where much more common)

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Okay, just for any skeptics out there about mastery right now - I shot in a parse from last night's norushen testing...


That's typically double as effective as mastery usually is (50-70%) Unfortunately, I think I've put a bullet in the head of the Thok's theory - right now there are two feasible options;

1. Thok's duplicated spells have a full 100% mastery scalar, which I find unlikely.
2. They actually changed the SCK mastery coefficient, and due to the smart healing mechanics we are benefitting wildly from it on aoe.

Now I think it's the second, and I think I may have a reasonable estimate for it's new scalar. Since it now hits 4 times as less people, it should be 4 times higher to compensate. Leaving it at maybe 0.4 or 0.45, ultimately there shouldn't really be a difference but the smart healing means that you actually get the benefit a lot more often. Upon changing the spreadsheet to reflect the value, I was getting much more realistic numbers;



To verify this, I put in a bunch of different other pulls and they all seem to come back where they should for a fight like norushen (80-90%). So unless anyone has any objections, or other ideas I think this is what is actually happening.

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Oh, both could also be happening.