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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr4vitas View Post
    It can be a weapon of course, just like a lighter and gasoline.
    how many fatalities have there been with a lighter? and how many with gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr4vitas View Post
    It can be a weapon of course, just like a lighter and gasoline.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weapon

    Did you just compare a lighter and gasoline to a freaking shotgun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    ...but it DOES severely limit where and how much.

    You mention Prostitution... yet in the Chicago area I never see a prostitute "on the corner". You make it sound like those two elements are running rampant... they're not as bad as you think - and that's BECAUSE of laws against them.
    Are homicidal shooters running rampant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron View Post
    Did you just compare a lighter and gasoline to a freaking shotgun?
    yep, because something used to light a cigarette and start are car are in the same realm as a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    how many fatalities have there been with a lighter? and how many with gas.
    No idea, I'd have to look it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron View Post
    Did you just compare a lighter and gasoline to a freaking shotgun?
    no

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    how many fatalities have there been with a lighter? and how many with gas.
    1. The chinese dude in The Dark Knight.

    The Chechen: What you do with all your money?
    The Joker: See, I'm a man of simple tastes. I enjoy dynamite, and gunpowder, and... gasoline!
    [he pours gasoline on the mountain of cash]
    The Chechen: [panicked] What the...?
    The Joker: Ah-ta-ta-ta-ta. And you know the thing they have in common? They're cheap.
    The Joker: All you care about is money. This city deserves a better class of criminal. And I'm gonna give it to them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    ...but it DOES severely limit where and how much.

    You mention Prostitution... yet in the Chicago area I never see a prostitute "on the corner". You make it sound like those two elements are running rampant... they're not as bad as you think - and that's BECAUSE of laws against them.
    I never said they were running rampant, I merely stated that they are things people participate in with the full knowledge that they are illegal.

    And if you live in the Chicago land area (as do I, except in a rural town outside of the burbs and the city), I can still readily find marijuana and even crack (no, I do not smoke crack, by my town has a very high crack/coke use per capita). Even though it's not directly in front of you, doesn't mean it's not still a problem that is dealt with on a daily basis by law enforcement. Hell, go to Kenosha and tell me that their isn't a drug problem, or gang problem, or a severely impoverished population.

    We're talking about criminals who step outside of the law. They know full well the extent of the consequences that go hand in hand with committing crimes, yet they still follow through with them. Ban any magazine that's more than 10 rounds? Ok, guess what, they're still going to be able to find 30 round magazines quite readily. Ban assault weapons? (which, by the way, if you think about it...anything can be considered an assault weapon. If you commit an assault with a fork, that could be considered an assault weapon) Cool, they'll still be able to find the one gun that has a larger body count than most nations do combined, the AK-47.

    Criminals do not respect the laws already in place, why would they all of a sudden gain some moral fortitude and start following new ones?
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    no
    Yes you did. Why anyone needs a shotgun is beyond me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr4vitas View Post
    no
    uh yeah you just did. you said gas an a lighter can be weapons like a gun.
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    How is the right feeling about this executive action? It doesn't seem take anyones guns away, and addresses some of the "real problems" the right has said are the cause of gun violence such as mental health.

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    If some haven't seen it yet:

    John Stewart on Gun Control. hopefully it will stay up for a while...



    Best quote from there is this IMO: Their paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future, prevents us from addressing our actual dystopic present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orissa View Post
    1. The chinese dude in The Dark Knight.
    well i guess i shouldn't rule out honor killings or the dark knight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alceus View Post
    he is trying to save lives. and as said before, it is the congress not the president who has the power on that subject.

    on another note, many historians agree that the second amendment is outdated, along with the rest of it. (needs revision)
    There should be a plea for a new one or else the society will destroy itself and not the government.
    A 200 year old document is as bad as King George back in past England.
    NRA is playing a dirty game, manipulating the weak minded and feeding fear.
    They (the weapon lobby and various industry investors) are getting richer everyday by boosting weapon sales.

    Now think, who is the good guy here?
    Every possible application as to why the Second Amendment would be outdated can also be applied to the Freedom of Speech. I'm sure everyone here would love for the Feds to revisit and modify that so that they can have more control over what we are and aren't allowed to say on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron View Post
    Yes you did. Why anyone needs a shotgun is beyond me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    uh yeah you just did. you said gas an a lighter are weapons just like a gun.

    I compared a potential weapon to a potential weapon.

    I don't want to debate with you guys if your going to lose track of the argument like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    yep, because something used to light a cigarette and start are car are in the same realm as a gun.
    Governments are afraid of lighters and gasoline being used on them. They are afraid of us waking up and stopping their tyranny.
    Am I wrong? Why do people think its dangerous to have their guns regulated by government. The 2nd amendment was put in there to defend the rest of the amendments. Thats why they need that one slowly dismantled, if they do it incrementally all the people on government help will stick up for him since its never huge actions taking place at once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr4vitas View Post
    I compared a potential weapon to a potential weapon.

    I don't want to debate with you guys if your going to lose track of the argument like that.
    no you compared a potential weapon....to an actual weapon.

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    I compared a potential weapon to a potential weapon.

    I don't want to debate with you guys if your going to lose track of the argument like that.
    If you're just going to evade then you lose the debate anyways.


    Governments are afraid of lighters and gasoline being used on them. They are afraid of us waking up and stopping their tyranny.
    Am I wrong? Why do people think its dangerous to have their guns regulated by government. The 2nd amendment was put in there to defend the rest of the amendments. Thats why they need that one slowly dismantled, if they do it incrementally all the people on government help will stick up for him since its never huge actions taking place at once.
    The Question is strong with this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr4vitas View Post
    No it wasn't meant for the citizenry to defend their country, that's what the militia bit is about. The right to bear arms is in there to allow the citizens to defend them self's against a tyrannical government.
    it was never meant for that. and you wouldn't need a constitutional right for that anyways. do you honestly think that if hypothetically our government turns tyrannical that the 2nd amendment is going to keep you safe from reprisal for rebelling against it? or in that case that the 2nd amendment would mean anything to them at that point. being tyrannical i would imagine they wouldn't even bother with the work of writing up a gun ban. they would just come and put you down regardless of how many, and what kind of weapons you have.

    and one final nail in the coffin for your "our rights to fight the government" argument. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. in other words by "fighting" your "Tyrannical" government you would be guilty of treason. where you would either be executed or spend the rest of your life in prison. still think the 2nd amendment is about fighting a tyrannical united states government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    no you compared a potential weapon....to an actual weapon.
    A gun is not always a weapon. It is always however a tool, just like a lighter and gasoline. Both can be used as a weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron View Post
    If you're just going to evade then you lose the debate anyways.


    The Question is strong with this one.
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    To all those that voted for him, wtf.....
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