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    Isn't it funny, then, how the GOP is now the party that is holding to social conservatism by blocking rights to everybody? Seems like they decided where to draw the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    Why do I continue to point out your rank hypocrisy? Really? you have to ask? If you are looking for a solution then you sure as hell are going about it the wrong way, if you are here to piss off and demonize your opposition then keep on keepin on because you are certainly succeeding.

    As far as Fox, I dont give a tinker's damn what they say, I don't watch them. YOU appear to however, to hang on every word they say like one of those Media Matters hypocrites... You aren't a partisan hypocrite are you Aleros?, I certainly hope not. Thing is, you dont like being called out on your biased dishonest bullcrap.
    You haven't successfully pointed out any hypocrisy, just thrown out a bunch of ad hominem attacks on my person without any basis in reality. You sound like an upset child. You've even begun following me from thread to thread just to toss insults at me when you aren't even a part of the conversation. You tend to run and hide and not address questions directed at you when they show just how uniformed you are. You make snide jabs at me without any real content to your posts. Most of the time when you make claims they're just plain wrong and when asked for sources you start throwing f-bombs and mashing your caps lock key.

    Your signature is about as hypocritical as it comes.

    Want any of my Constitutional rights?, ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (Come and take them)
    You've suggested the infringement of no less than two constitutional rights, insinuating that rather than address guns, we should address the "root" of the problem and that those that are mentally unstable and likely to commit acts of extreme violence with guns should have "help" inflicted upon them. When it was pointed out that most of the people who went on murderous rampages declined or resisted help in the first place, and I inquired whether you wanted to force help on these people or simply leave the system as it was, you remained oddly silent. When the glaringly obvious flaws of involuntary detainment based on psychological analysis when no crime had been committed, in addition to the unconstitutionality of it was pointed out, you dropped more f bombs and caps lock and left the thread. Later on you had an issue with ID's being required for gun purchase and said that it should be required for voting too (which is in direct violation of the 24th amendment) you started spewing conspiracy theories about the 2000 election. You made several baseless claims that voter fraud was a rampant problem, and when asked for proof or a source, you spewed excuses and anecdotes for a page or two, then finally produced a tea party funded steaming pile of dog crap that was one big vague reference to the "rampant epidemic of voter fraud".

    You obviously use these forums as an outlet and a vent for your anger, so I suggest you go blow off some steam elsewhere while the adults have a conversation.

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    Orissa, when folks try and hang Jim Crow, KKK and that other bullshit on the GOP I'm obliged to correct them on their stunning lack of knowledge or their willful dishonesty.
    You do realize that at that time, the "Democrats" were conservative and the "Republicans" were liberal, right? You can pin it on the Democrats, sure, but it was still the conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleros View Post
    *snip*.
    I know damn well what my sig says, I created it. I've asked you repeatedly to provide which rights I'm attempting to infringe... please. cite them, cite them accurately. Sir, for someone that wants to infringe the rights of millions of law abiding citizens to attempt to accuse me of wanting to infringe anyone is full on a lie. You know it, I know it.

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    Man I wish you would be civil rights lawyers were around a couple years ago when that patriot act was being signed. You all came out of the wood work for obama but when Bush was in the white house well...

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    You certainly do have a selective memory forgetting that you posted that Sandy Hook shooter (as well as other mass murderers) should have been institutionalized (even though it was against his will) BEFORE he ever committed a crime. That and the whole wanting to require ID's to vote. The 24th amendment and the three judicial amendments guaranteeing due process are all making a sad face at you right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    Man I wish you would be civil rights lawyers were around a couple years ago when that patriot act was being signed. You all came out of the wood work for obama but when Bush was in the white house well...
    Man back in '01 I was still playing Diablo 2 and blissfully and willfully ignorant of most political BS. I wish I could return to the days of not giving a damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleros View Post
    You do realize that at that time, the "Democrats" were conservative and the "Republicans" were liberal, right? You can pin it on the Democrats, sure, but it was still the conservatives.
    You DO realize that it was the Democrats that did it, regardless of any 'conservative' or 'liberal' label you want to attribute to them, dont you? You DO realize that there was a Democrat who was a Klan Grand Dragon in the US Senate from 1959 to 2010, right? You DO realize that the fillibuster of the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 was entirely comprised of Democrat Senators, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleros View Post
    You do realize that at that time, the "Democrats" were conservative and the "Republicans" were liberal, right? You can pin it on the Democrats, sure, but it was still the conservatives.
    I hate when I hear this. This never happened. The parties never switched. 1 "southern dixie-crat" switched and that was Strom Thurman. Please stop with this lie. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    Man I wish you would be civil rights lawyers were around a couple years ago when that patriot act was being signed. You all came out of the wood work for obama but when Bush was in the white house well...
    this guys gets it, when I found out about the patriot act my faith in congress folded a couple of times.

    bbbbbbuuuuuttttt comments like this are also noise in the gun control debate. I call it noise mainly because how the two polices are/were publicized and how much money is involved as a result of polices.

    OT: last time I checked, the executive actions did not infringe on any American rights but checking again won't hurt (will edit after I'm done.)
    EDIT: nope still can't find any.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwald View Post
    I hate when I hear this. This never happened. The parties never switched. 1 "southern dixie-crat" switched and that was Strom Thurman. Please stop with this lie. Thank you.
    Go back to history class please, Aleros is correct in many ways.
    Last edited by crazymack; 2013-01-20 at 06:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazymack View Post
    Go back to history class please, Aleros is correct in many ways.
    My friend, my degree is in history. I'll break it down for you from right after the revolutionary war:

    Political Parties

    Federalist - Favored strong central government
    Anti-Federalist - Favored states

    Federalist became The Democratic party
    Anti-Federalists became the Whig party

    The Whig party fractured and fell apart.

    The republican party was comprised of Whigs, Free-Soilers and Anti-Slavery democrats.

    There was never a point in time when the parties switched. Ever.

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    The term switched sides is inaccurate, but party stances have changed over time.

    A. Fundamentalist conservative values, resistance to expanding government power so that people may take care of themselves, racism and bigotry.

    B. Progressive liberal ideas, expanding government power to better serve the people, social libertarianism and expansion of civil human rights.

    I'll let you take a guess at who was who at varying points in history, and also make the personal note that yes, there are millions of shades of gray in the political spectrum. This is often why I label myself as a classical Republican and a modern Democrat.

    For an interesting infographic on political parties: http://xkcd.com/1127/large/

    But sure, you can go ahead and blame the Democrats of the past for Jim Crowe, KKK, etc. Nobody is denying it. But a bigot is a bigot. Now what was the purpose of pointing that out again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorensen View Post
    its not that clear, but its probably like security guards.
    Sort of.

    In post secondary, you can think of him as a guidance councilor who's competent in legal matters. If you've got life troubles, you visit the guidance councilor, if you're a witness to or victim of a crime, you talk to the resource officer.

    The benefit to doing so is that he's already the bad guy, so you don't risk getting labeled a 'narc' by your peers. They handle arrests, and can be called to be a 'first response' in a crisis.

    Unfortunately, most of these officers are part time, being on campus a couple days a week. (Likely being at other campuses on the other days.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleros View Post
    The term switched sides is inaccurate, but party stances have changed over time.

    A. Fundamentalist conservative values, resistance to expanding government power so that people may take care of themselves, racism and bigotry.

    B. Progressive liberal ideas, expanding government power to better serve the people, social libertarianism and expansion of civil human rights.

    I'll let you take a guess at who was who at varying points in history, and also make the personal note that yes, there are millions of shades of gray in the political spectrum. This is often why I label myself as a classical Republican and a modern Democrat.

    For an interesting infographic on political parties: http://xkcd.com/1127/large/

    But sure, you can go ahead and blame the Democrats of the past for Jim Crowe, KKK, etc. Nobody is denying it. But a bigot is a bigot. Now what was the purpose of pointing that out again?
    Because you said the parties switched. Which they did not. This post is a bit more accurate than you're previous post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwald View Post
    *snip*
    I thought Democrat-republican were the "anti-central goverment" party and were the main player against the federalist party.
    Mostly likely the reason we are at stance is because of the time period during which the federalist dispersed.

    My memory tells me that the federalist party just fell apart and because of the lack of a seconded major player, the democrat-republican party split in two along North/South line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazymack View Post
    I thought Democrat-republican were the "anti-central goverment" party and were the main player against the federalist party.
    Mostly likely the reason we are at stance is because of the time period during which the federalist dispersed.

    My memory tells me that the federalist party just fell apart and because of the lack of a seconded major player, the democrat-republican party split in two along North/South line.
    The Democratic-Republican party is the Democratic party, they just dropped the "republican" portion. Nothing changed and the congressmen and senators all fell in the same party. The only party that was limited to a geographical area upon it's conception was the Republican party. It was entirely in the NE, which was a major cause of the civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwald View Post
    Because you said the parties switched. Which they did not. This post is a bit more accurate than you're previous post
    I never used the word switched or implied it, just stated that at certain points in history, the stances of different political parties have changed dramatically. I can imagine you get tired of hearing people say that the parties "switched" though since yes, that is incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwald View Post
    *snip*
    As I thought, that is the period of interest. But I'm done talking about the "switch" in this thread, the whole discussion way to far off topic. I will gladly continue it in PM if you wish.

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    Hey guys, Im not going to read all this political stuff but... when it comes to guns...

    In sweden, where Im from, pretty much only police officers are allowed to own and wield firearms, hunters are ofc allowed rifles, when they are out hunting. Any kind of firearm found outside of its "area" is a severe offence... and you know... guess what...? NO mass shootings, shocking... I know...

    But you dont need guns -.-" In fact, no one needs a fucking gun. Its a tool for killing, end of story. There is no self defence in a gun.

    Now I might be waaay of track with this statement, but I've seen so much gun drivel the last weeks I had to say something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VileGenesis View Post
    Hey guys, Im not going to read all this political stuff but... when it comes to guns...

    In sweden, where Im from, pretty much only police officers are allowed to own and wield firearms, hunters are ofc allowed rifles, when they are out hunting. Any kind of firearm found outside of its "area" is a severe offence... and you know... guess what...? NO mass shootings, shocking... I know...

    But you dont need guns -.-" In fact, no one needs a fucking gun. Its a tool for killing, end of story. There is no self defence in a gun.

    Now I might be waaay of track with this statement, but I've seen so much gun drivel the last weeks I had to say something.
    Do you realize how hard it is to talk to gun enthusiast to move their opinion in a reasonable manner when you have one side screaming "they will take your guns!" and the other side "maybe we should take the guns?" It's dam near impossible. I have lived around guns my entire life and I believe there should be a nation registry of gun and their owners as well as a red flag system that utilizes that system. Red flags sure as, "crazies, felonies, terrorist" and the advantages "could" go beyond mass shootings prevention. But I can't talk to them because of "they will take your guns!", "maybe we should take the guns" noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazymack View Post
    Do you realize how hard it is to talk to gun enthusiast to move their opinion in a reasonable manner when you have one side screaming "they will take your guns!" and the other side "maybe we should take the guns?" It's dam near impossible. I have lived around guns my entire life and I believe there should be a nation registry of gun and their owners as well as a red flag system that utilizes that system. Red flags sure as, "crazies, felonies, terrorist" and the advantages "could" go beyond mass shootings prevention. But I can't talk to them because of "they will take your guns!", "maybe we should take the guns" noise.
    Indeed, I face a similar problem with trying to debate gun-control with people in my area, while I support gun-control (In terms of registration, maybe taxing, and better regulation), but not gun-banning it is hard for many people to see the difference sadly. Mention gun-control to anyone in my family, and they automatically clam up say something about "they be taking our guns away", quote the second amendment, and refuse to have an open opinion about gun-control because they equate it with gun-ban.

    (Also grew up around guns my whole life, and do enjoy shooting them, see location)
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