Obama Exercises Executive Actions

[Grizzly Willy]

We don't, but we do care when your side becomes total hypocrites regarding it.

Which is why both parties need to be sundered and everybody kicked out of office and onto their collective asses.

[oblivionx]

Are you saying all nobel prizes are jokes?

They are more political than based on merit.

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Which is why both parties need to be sundered and everybody kicked out of office onto their collective asses.

That's the thing to hope for if you want the democrats in full power again.

Full turnover in house will be blank checks time again for the joke in office right now.

[Grizzly Willy]

That's the thing to hope for if you want the democrats in full power again.

Full turnover in house will be blank checks time again for the joke in office right now.

Could you explain why?

[oblivionx]

Anyway the craziest thing in the 23 things crazy people say list is the authorizing the CDC to "study" violent video games thing.

Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

CDC?

What does that have to do with gun violence?

It's nearly as crazy as the paragraphs that are a hand outs to the psychological field (which prevent nothing, seems they were treating all these mass killers lately... unsuccessfully).

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Could you explain why?

Can you explain why you need why explained?

[Garnier Fructis]

They are more political than based on merit.

The physics and chemistry prizes are a great way to recognize people who have made important contributions to the field. Is it sometimes political? Yes. Do some people go unrecognized? Yes. Sorry your favorite scientist didn't get a prize. That doesn't invalidate the importance of the contributions made by Nobel prize winners or their respectability.

[oblivionx]

The physics and chemistry prizes are a great way to recognize people who have made important contributions to the field. Is it sometimes political? Yes. Do some people go unrecognized? Yes. Sorry your favorite scientist didn't get a prize. That doesn't invalidate the importance of the contributions made by Nobel prize winners or their respectability.

If they are ever political they aren't very genuine imo.

[Someudontno]

For those who don't support Obama's actions - Congress doesn't have to appropriate funds to the President so that he can enforce these actions.

I'm in total support with what he did; just making a statement.

[Endus]

Anyway the craziest thing in the 23 things crazy people say list is the authorizing the CDC to "study" violent video games thing.

CDC?

What does that have to do with gun violence?

The Center for Injury Control and Prevention at the CDC has had a program studying causes of violent death in the USA for years. It was created in 1990.

Who was president in 1990? George Bush senior. A Republican.

The National Violent Death Reporting System the CICP runs, which is even more directly related to the subject matter, was implemented in 2002. Under George Bush junior. Yet again, a Republican President.

Your outrage is both uninformed and hilariously misplaced.

[Adam Jensen]

For those who don't support Obama's actions - Congress doesn't have to appropriate funds to the President so that he can enforce these actions.

I'm in total support with what he did; just making a statement.

Which is essentially what happened to Gitmo, btw.

[Dillon]

Personally, I have read over it a bit now and I see no trampling on freedoms like the doom sayers were crying out.

The problem is these people would if they could. I don't trust anyone that doesn't trust me with the ability to protect myself from criminals, and them if necessary.

[mvaliz]

Can you explain why you need why explained?

...because what you wrote is pure fear-based insanity backed by just your emotional outbursts without a single piece of evidence to corroborate it.

Was that a clear enough explanation why we want it explained? :P

[Grizzly Willy]

Can you explain why you need why explained?

Well, it would appear that you're arguing that the Republican party is unable to beat the Democratic party. They only missed the election by ~3%. You don't think that a revamped Republican party that was actually true to fiscal conservatism and social libertarianism wouldn't be able to close the gap? I haven't seen anything during the election to suggest that Democrats are any more underhanded that the GOP is when it comes to manipulating the public. Ideally in this scenario money would be removed from the process and we could actually focus and important issues.

[mvaliz]

The problem is these people would if they could. I don't trust anyone that doesn't trust me with the ability to protect myself from criminals, and them if necessary.

So... basically you're saying you can only get married if your spouse would allow you to monitor their emails, place a homing sensor on their car, and instal cameras throughout the house 24/7 so you have the ability to protect yourself from them cheating on you?

PS. nobody is taking away your guns.

[Adam Jensen]

Well, it would appear that you're arguing that the Republican party is unable to beat the Democratic party. They only missed the election by ~3%. You don't think that a revamped Republican party that was actually true to fiscal conservatism and social libertarianism wouldn't be able to close the gap? I haven't seen anything during the election to suggest that Democrats are any more underhanded that the GOP is when it comes to manipulating the public. Ideally in this scenario money would be removed from the process and we could actually focus and important issues.

If they drop the social conservatives, they'll have a better chance.

[Grizzly Willy]

If they drop the social conservatives, they'll have a better chance.

They would need to go further than that, though, at least in my eyes. They aren't nearly fiscally conservative enough for them to rail against Democrats for their spending. That being said, the social conservatives are the biggest sticking point for me identifying as a Republican.

[mistuhbull]

Could you explain why?

clearly Oblivion knows that the country is more liberal than conservative and if there was no incumbents running then Congress would fully go to the Democrats

[Grizzly Willy]

clearly Oblivion knows that the country is more liberal than conservative and if there was no incumbents running then Congress would fully go to the Democrats

Which is why I would assume that Republicans would have to shift to a more liberal stance in some areas, making them a more sensible and appealing party.

[Sky High]

The democrats in the USA have a hit list of things they will always try and force into law.

Healthcare (dusty old Kennedy health care repackaged mind you)
Massive spending (check)
Tax increases (check)
Increase in size of federal government and programs (check)
Gun control (attempting)

and don't forget

Demonization of Republicans (ongoing)

1. oh how dare we try to reboot our piss poor healthcare system.
2. we can go tit for tat on that my friend
3. what did the patriot act do? and warrantless wire tapping? legislation of gay rights and reproductive rights?
4. again how dare we try to attempt to put a hold on gun homicides in this country.
5. lol you guys do a great job of that alllll on your own.

[Garnier Fructis]

If they are ever political they aren't very genuine imo.

So the only genuine awards are those given for math contests, spelling contests and sports tournaments? Medal of honor must not be a genuine award due to its inherent political nature.

[Skroe]

They are more political than based on merit.

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That's the thing to hope for if you want the democrats in full power again.

Full turnover in house will be blank checks time again for the joke in office right now.

Republicans are already preparing for that. Go check out RedState. And it's not hard to see why.

I voted for Bush in 2004. Politically speaking I'm generally center right. I'm conservative of the George H.W. Bush / Colin Powell variety.

The people calling themselves conservatives and republicans now are extremists. They hi-jacked the name, the cause, the icons to try and hold back a tsunami of change that has been going on in this country for decades. The America of John Boehner's youth is dead, and it's never coming back. This is a good thing.

I abandoned the Republican Party in 2008, and again in 2012, and I will in 2014 and 2016 because the Republicans in Congress right now are undemocratic, unpatriotic, untruthful, cowardly, corrupt and scientifically / technologically backwards.

Their crimes are many. From slashing NSF and NIH funding to even refusing to say out right "Barack Obama was born in the United States and is an American Citizen" in favor of John Boehner's much more nebulous "I take the President at his words".

People like that do not deserve any support. They deserve to be condemned.

Nothing tells you more about the how undemocratic and unpatriotic (yes I used that word on purpose) than the House's refusal to put legislation that the majority of the majority party does not support up for a vote. In the last decade, whenever Democrats controlled the House, they allowed any and all bills, even ones that the then-Democratic Majority was against, to come up for a vote. And since the corrupt days of Dennis Hastert and Tom Delay, Republicans to this very day do not reciprocate.

True democrats (small d) and patriots would not be afraid of standing for principle whilst losing a vote. John Boehner knows, if he allowed open voting, like the House has always done until 2000, the Tea Party caucus would be complete broken, Republicans scattered and the country would see far more legislative activity. These hostage taking scenarios would cease.

That in summary, is why I side with the man you call a joke. Because I believe in the wellfare of this country and coming to compromises more than I believe in adhering to some kind of ridiculous and rigid ideology. Ideology is the realm of small men with closed minds. Obama runs this country as a conservative twenty years ago would have. He pushes for laws proposed in the 1980s and 1990s by conservatives.

Now I do want him to, quite frankly, take away everyone here's guns, from hand gun to assault rifle to your pappy's shot gun, and melt them down into slag. I know that isn't at all a conservative position. And I know that isn't going to happen anytime soon. But I know I have a better chance with him than we any Republican. So he gets my support in this.

The Far Right Republicans are bracing for a dark age, because they see 2014 and 2016, and they know they're dying off and Obama's base is growing. So I'd consider your options in the future my friend. Obama's agenda is to clean up decades of grime and mismanagement, expand social justice and prepare this country for being supremely competitive in this century.

Your guns. Abortion. The Role of Religion. The size of government. All of them are stupid distractions and the obsession of limited men. Obama knows this, which is why he delegates these things out and personally oversees the big-picture solutions.

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The democrats in the USA have a hit list of things they will always try and force into law.

Healthcare (dusty old Kennedy health care repackaged mind you)

Which every other developed advanced economy in the world has. And by the way, the world in which we live, where an MRI costs $2000 here but $81 in Japan is a failure. A free market for healthcare has been an abject and empirical failure. Japan's government set rates, has first-rate quality of care, and no shortages. Price Controls on Heath Care work.

Massive spending (check)

Almost all of this is delayed investment. This is what happens when the previous owners of the property, so to speak, don't keep up with the maitenence. Furthermore our population is aging (predicted in the 1990s), adding to costs.

Tax increases (check)

This is a good thing and Taxes should increase even more. Sincerely, a conservative making more than you do, who wants this country to actually pay its bills.

Increase in size of federal government and programs (check)

The "Small Government" Obsession was over in 2002. The people pushing it today didn't get the memo. The argument is fundamentally a stupid one. The diachotomy between big and small government is so limiting and not a smart argument. What Bush, Clinton and Obama ALL advocate is for RIGHT SIZED government. Not too big. Not too small. But just right. Efficient and meeting its needs. That's the SMART path forward. Small Government, like the 19th century? Never. Going. To. Happen.

Gun control (attempting)

You ain't seen nothing yet.

and don't forget

Demonization of Republicans (ongoing)

This is a good one. I am a Republican. Well rather was. I abandoned our party. I've voted for Obama twice. Because I want effective, data-driven semi-technocratic government. Obama has been precisely that. I left the Republican Party because the people in it right now have completely discredited themselves on economic, fiscal, scientific, political and social matters. They're an old party of old men whose time has passed and they bring nothing new to the table.

It should scare the absolute crap out of Republicans that a man like Colin Powell, who back in 1996 many Republicans got down on their knees and prayed would run for President, and who before Obama, everyone was ABSOLUTELY SURE, was the only black man of national stature who could win the Presidency in our country, has voted for Obama twice, very publically, and assailed the Republican Party as it exists now.

The problem is you, and people like you oblivionx, inside the Republican Party. People like you drove people like me into the very open arms of a man, Barack Obama more like George H.W. Bush than like Bill Clinton. And I like it here. I don't think I'm going to leave. I dont think a lot of us are going to leave. When it comes down to it, I actually want us investing in technology, rather than cutting funding. I want us focusing on security in East Asia vs China, instead of some absurd pissing contest with Iran and another decade of Middle East / Israel crap. I want us actually educating our children to the highest Western standards, not letting schools get away with backwards creationism. I actually want my party filled with educated men, not foolish morons like Rand Paul who forgot the issue of nullification was settled in the Civil War.

So enjoy the bed you made for yourself as you and the extremist Republicans die of old age in it. Because that's your future.