You cast AM as you're AoE gripped.
A Ret can't node defend alone because they are insanely susceptible to CC, can't aoe to fish for rogues, and are squishy compared to say a Hunter, Warrior, or really a majority of other classes.
A Ret can't transfer a flag to your FC like other melee can. A Ret can't go prot to FC.
The list goes on.
My advice to you OP is, every time you get a response like "lol ret", ask them to run random bg's with you sometime and show them that you can be a valuable asset to an RBG team. I don't know what else you can do but try to prove yourself outside of an RBG setting. Sorry man.
Point being I'd rather have a slightly less-than-ideal comp filled with handpicked, competent players than have a perfect comp with a couple less-than-ideal players. Obviously you want to have both a perfect comp and excellent players at the same time, but often times that just isn't feasible.
Try being a lolmonk.
A squishy dps that cant do burst.
A squishy healer that cant heal burst.
And a squishy tank that cant flag carry.
I think you guys, and most other people as well, are too fixated on composition. Player skill simply matters more, unless your team plays at a high level for RBGs. I would bring a good Ret over a mediocre/bad Arms warrior every time.
i played ret in rbgs in s9 to about 1700, then i was forced to go holy because i wanted higher ratings. i find holy excruciatingly boring.
i think it comes down to ret being able to bring somthing with it's hand spells that holy paladins can't.
every class that gets brought to rbgs is bought for their gimmick, locks for aoe, boomkins for knockbacks, ect, ret needs somthing unique it can do. if that boils down to somthing as simple as giving ret it's stun break back then they should do that.
ret doesn't bring the mongoloid damage of a warrior, the cleave of a dk, or the control of a rogue. but they've always excelled at support, its just a large amount of that unique support like it's stun break and defensive dispel has been either taken away or also given to holy, like repentance, over the years.
Last edited by kosechi; 2013-01-17 at 05:37 AM.
" I need a sec, my wrists hurt from spamming slam so hard. Playing cleave vs cleave is tough stuff guys"
My point was that I've seen too many dogshit players get into higher rated RBG groups just because they fit the standard RBG compositions. A good Ret would've contributed more than these mediocre/poor players. Therefore, I don't think this is a black and white issue, unless you play at a very competitive level.
Wow... I just think that team leaders want like dks or warriors for melee. While maybe holy pally for healing though
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I would have thought double bop and double freedom would be exceptional on an attacking force, allowing your heavier melee to stick to their target and stop your clothies getting squished or having to blow their defensive CD's straight away.
I've had this problem with Enhance for a long time. Always quite well geared, always listen and follow orders, but it's just better to take other melee. Bring the player, not the class y0
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