View Poll Results: Should parenting require a license or parenting courses?

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  • Yes, parenting should require both a license and mandatory parenting courses.

    94 30.32%
  • Yes, parenting courses only.

    54 17.42%
  • Yes, license only.

    16 5.16%
  • No to either.

    137 44.19%
  • No opinion

    9 2.90%
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  1. #121
    It's too slipper a slope to ever become a reality. Being a parent is not a black and white job where things are EITHER good OR bad. There are plenty of children who grow up in 'bad' households who are themselves quite well adjusted, and vice versa. If one tried to implement mandatory parenting courses it would have to be watered down to such base instructions as "Feed your child", "Don't put pillows on your child's face", and my personal favorite "Don't throw your newborn like a football".

    Do some people DESPERATELY need that information? Yes. Do they account for enough of the population to warrant new government programs? I sincerely hope not.

  2. #122
    First time parents should take parenting classes.
    Many parents dont even know how to childproof their house.

    A license as a result of that course is not out of the question.

  3. #123
    While it sounds good on paper, it literally puts the government in your babies crib, and that's something I don't think anyone can get behind.

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by ptwonline View Post
    Not sure how you could possibly enforce it without doing things that could be completely detrimental like taking kids away, cutting off benefits which negatively affects the kids, etc.

    The main problem with education campaigns is that the people who really need them the most also seem to be the least likely to partake in them unless forced somehow. This may work for something that is considered a privilege (like driving a car), but for something that is considered a natural human right and almost impossible to stop without invasice interference (pregnancy and childbirth) I don't see how you can enforce it without going to some unpalatable extremes.

    The best way seems to be to do it while kids are still in school. But of course some parents get freaked out by anything revolving around sex, so it gets limited.
    I do not think school sex education works as much as we wanted. Lets be realistic. Sexual Education have been going on more quite a number of years (even discounting the southern population, where you can argue sexual education is not being done right and only include the Northern States), but teenage pregnancy has not gone down (people have less kids because of abortion but pregnancy itself have not gone down) consistantly. I think we would be more successful targeting poverty (what are men going to do all day when there is no work but fuck).

  5. #125
    Bad parenting is arguably more dangerous than drinking, flying a plane or driving a car, yet all three have an age requirement and 2 out of 3 require licensure. Why not parenting?
    The actual question is "why drinking, flying and driving requires age and license if they are less harmful that parenting?". Excessive control is the problem, parenting is fine.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    3. Bad parenting is arguably more dangerous than drinking, flying a plane or driving a car, yet all three have an age requirement and 2 out of 3 require licensure. Why not parenting?
    Because parenting is considerably easier than flying a plane. Billions of people raise their kids up just fine, but if airplanes were flown by unlicensed amateurs, they'd come crashing down more often than make a clean landing. Letting anyone up in the sky would absolutely be more dangerous. Same applies to cars to a lesser extent - the statistics I managed to dig up estimate 37k deaths in car accidents annually in the US alone, despite practically everyone having a license. I can only imagine the disaster if we didn't require any kind of training before you sit behind a wheel.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Woebegone View Post
    Because parenting is considerably easier than flying a plane. Billions of people raise their kids up just fine, but if airplanes were flown by unlicensed amateurs, they'd come crashing down more often than make a clean landing. Letting anyone up in the sky would absolutely be more dangerous. Same applies to cars to a lesser extent - the statistics I managed to dig up estimate 37k deaths in car accidents annually in the US alone, despite practically everyone having a license. I can only imagine the disaster if we didn't require any kind of training before you sit behind a wheel.
    To elaborate more since aviation is so heavily regulated it's there is almost no subjectivity involved. What makes a good pilot is easily quantifiable, where as parenting lacks that objectivity. Now we go full circle back to the question...what makes a bad parent? And for whoever answers that questions, what makes your subjective opinion better than mine?
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  8. #128
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    OR - No child benefits unless you get the liscence. Then the unemployed drugged up whore mothers who have 7 children that run around bullying over peoples children will stop having children or will die off. Thus Survival of the fittest. Obviously this isnt a good idea in practise for obvious reasons. BUT SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES WOULD ACTUALLY WORK.

  9. #129
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    Parent licenses is something I will never support. While there are bad parents out there, it's possible and much less expensive to remove children from the household than to give out licenses to people to have children. In addition, it would quickly come down to who is and isn't allowed to have intercourse. Reproducing is a basic human right, and that can never and should never be infringed upon.

    I do, however, support parenting classes for any person/couple who discovers they are having a child. It doesn't have to be mandatory, but strongly encouraged. Parenting classes are beneficial to everyone who is about to have a child.

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  10. #130
    This is the reason this debate even exists <-- LINK

    Again, I said no to both, but this is the type of things that need some regulation. Depriving people of having kids isn't the answer, but more accountability is.

  11. #131
    There are a lot of bad/crappy parents out there and im not gonna pretend i have a better solution for changing that but I don't think how to be a good parent is something you can just teach.

  12. #132
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    I think a parenting course should be offered for free to parents but I certainly don't think it should be mandatory to get a license to parent.
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  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Anakso View Post
    No, it would be ridiculous.

    Not all children are planned, a lot of unplanned children are raised properly and grow into normal humans. What you're suggesting would either 1. Force abortion on anyone who got pregnant accidentally or more likely 2. Force those children into orphanages or foster care, and afaik there are already to many children like that. You could I supposed have the people that accidentally get pregnant then apply for a license to parent, but it still doesn't seem right because a lot of people that accidentally get pregnant won't have their lives in order yet but will still become good parents.

    Honestly these are the only problems I see it with it, limiting the amount of children/who can be parents would be a good thing imo but it just can't be done while still taking care of the children properly.
    What's wrong with the scenario as underlined? Also you assume that unplanned parents would completely fail at a parenting course or couldn't get licensure. The stipulations on licensure could be either very narrow (legal pregnancy is limited to those of a certain socioeconomic status, etc) or very wide. The former would probably not be a likely scenario in the near future until we are dealing with real issues of population balance.

    Some people have mentioned scenarios where women have a massive amount of children and go on welfare...countries limit the amount of children one can have already, while I am not against the idea per se of limiting the amount of children a woman can have (particularly if she is on public aid) that is beyond the scope of what I was trying to address with this thread, although I find the feedback about the issue interesting.
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    And since we're dredging up old-world stuff, she should be happy she was even allowed to become a nurse at all instead of being raped.

  14. #134
    Yeah lets just give up all our freedoms because some people can't parent their kids. Sounds like a great idea.

    While we are at it, we should have mandatory classes and licenses for all possibly harmful substances like alcohol and cigarettes and cleaning chemicals, etc.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Kinettik View Post
    This is the reason this debate even exists <-- LINK

    Again, I said no to both, but this is the type of things that need some regulation. Depriving people of having kids isn't the answer, but more accountability is.
    I was going to post something with meaning and I saw this crappy link to the Stormfront. Is it really okay to link to a racist website like that?

  16. #136
    Why would anyone want the government telling them when they can or can't have children?
    when all else fails, read the STICKIES.

  17. #137
    More conservative big government is unnecessary.

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Ebildays View Post
    I was going to post something with meaning and I saw this crappy link to the Stormfront. Is it really okay to link to a racist website like that?
    Yeah...umm...."white pride world wide" logo on the home page of the website...wow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bergtau View Post
    And since we're dredging up old-world stuff, she should be happy she was even allowed to become a nurse at all instead of being raped.

  19. #139
    Hell no. I don't want to live in a nanny state where there's a license for every goddamned thing.

    "hello sir, what'll you have?"
    "A salad please"
    "Okay, could I just see your salad permit?"
    "My what?"
    "Well we just need to be sure that you took the 6 week salad course. We can't very well have some sort of salad initiate ordering willy nilly without knowing what they're getting!"
    "I'm going to go to another restaurant"
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    How many nice persons had shity parents ? You can't know what children will become by selecting parents, that's just not how it works.

    And outside this basic statement, children is an economical need for every single country in the world. Children are the futur workforce of a country, increase in children is needed for an economic growth. State birth control will lead to a drastic decay in natality, bringing any country to poverty (and don't talk about china where every inland factories are populated by poor farmers kidS sustaining their industrial competitivity).

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