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    Dragonwrath was probably the least legendary of all the legendaries. The way it worked, if you were in a 25 man guild, you could make a new one every 2 weeks after your first one finished.

    Glaives were also pretty stupid. #1 guild on my server that guild illidan first got an offhand on like their 23rd kill. #2 guild (us) got a main hand on first kill, off hand 3rd kill, never saw another one. Some server 14th guild got like 7 sets.

    Sorry, you don't know what Blizzard has decided about this legendary yet. They did say that they wanted to make the early stages doable by everyone and then the later stage more like other legendaries. But if they do change their mind and let everyone have it, how does someone else getting something diminish your own accomplishment? Yes, I'll say it, special snowflake syndrome inc. I don't get why special snowflakes get butthurt by being called special snowflakes either. They want to be special, and then cry when they're told that's what they do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    Not following your logic at all. Did you happen to kill Illidan during TBC? Did you kill him before the attunement was lifted? lol... Did your guild even have Glaives drop? When was the first time you even saw a Glaive in game?

    Yeah, please move along.

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    ^ This times 100. It is not a Legendary when everyone has one. (ie the effort to obtain one is minimal)
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    I fail to see how "herpaderp" kill Illidan and hope for a rng drop is better than a fair shot at actually getting an item - something many highendguilds also never got to see which slightly gimped them for the progess in the coming tier. In either case - legendaries are just like any other loot - a tool to make progress on new content slightly easier. In my opinion, the main problem with the WoW community is that it's full of lootwhores who see loot as an end goal and not progressing though the harder endgame with a team - just as long as they are decked out in the hottest items.

    People often bring up being special into the argument, sorry to break it to you it's not the loot you wear that makes you special in the game - it's what you can do with the loot you're given and progress though the proper endgame prenerfs. It's like buying the same football shoes that David Beckham uses - when you still cant do freekicks like he did it. That doesn't make you less of a being though.
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  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Agreed.
    A legendary is something you EARN.
    Not based off of a simplistic weapon dropping.[...]
    If you legitimately think having the freaking weapon drop a boss is "Legendary", you need to really look up the definition of Legendary.
    There are several legendaries in the game that are just a "simplistic weapon dropping". Since 2007 to be exact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    Case in point: Legendary items should require LEGENDARY effort to receive one. Yes the Glaives were drops from illidan, but it required legendary effort for guilds to progress that far and finally kill the end boss of the expansion (before they added sunwell). Yes Thoridal was a drop from KJ, but getting to kj was gold in itself. I remember decent t5 entry t6 guilds being satisfied only killing the first few trash pulls of sunwell because they were not good enough to even make it to Kalegos, let alone kill him.
    I disagree that a legendary effort was required to reach Illidan. As I mentioned in a prior post in this thread, my raid saw a Glaive drop on one of our first kills of Illidan and we were a casual raid (I think we did six hours a week in Burning Crusade). I certainly am proud that we achieved what we did in the hours we participated in, but I don't feel it was a more legendary accomplishment then, say, the rogue daggers I completed in Dragonsoul. Despite DS being fuckall easier than Black Temple, the thing that really gave the daggers the legendary feel was the quest line and the amount of time and work that I had to put into it. I realise that different people may disagree on that point and feel that lucky RNG from a somewhat difficult boss is more legendary feeling that some tricky quests and weeks of collection from a bunch of easier ones, but it's not as clear-cut as you make it sound.

    It might be more true (although I'd still say less so than the quest lines of Wrath and Cataclysm) for Kil'jaedan's bow as it was quite a feat to beat -- or even see -- him at level 70, but in any case it is subjective enough that it is probably not worth debating.


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    Quote Originally Posted by slozon View Post
    Show me where item QUALITY = item RARITY.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    Time sinks? are you serious? So you basically want legendaries to be passed out on silver platters to those willing to just twiddle their thumbs facerolling LFR.

    The difference between the "legendary" in Mop and in times before is you had to pass Legendary obstacles. I wont re explain what they were in TBC as they are in my post on page 19, but if you cant understand that, then im afraid you never will Xeraxis.



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    tbh i could think of a 1000 different things to complain about in mop, then about the legendary...
    In pvp its mostly useless cause it cant compare to the SIGNIFICANT pvp power u get from pvp weaps.
    In pve, who gives a crack its pve.
    And i dont really see it being different from Teracqosa dragon's wrath or w/e the fack it was called. From firelands.
    I Dont see it being different from Shadowmourne either. Was easy to pug farm mats...
    All in all, so much more significant subjects to whine about then this.

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    Jaylock tends to not answer any questions, Instead deflecting them and only accepting his logic, Then saying "Move along" like he knows what's best

    Part of why he was banned in the first place

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  10. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    Not following your logic at all. Did you happen to kill Illidan during TBC? Did you kill him before the attunement was lifted? lol... Did your guild even have Glaives drop? When was the first time you even saw a Glaive in game?
    Killed Illidan during TBC, have the title from the attunement which was required at the time, off hand glaive dropped dropped our second kill on Illidan. Just required us to clear a raid we were already working to clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    Whats the point in making it legendary then if it truly isnt legendary at all? If any person can get their grubby hands on one, how is it legendary? Its common then.
    I'm not going to dig through pages of responses. Luckily this was right on the front page.

    I just want to say there have been no "true" legendaries since Burning Crusade. In vanilla there was mediev's staff. Sulfuron hammer of the fire lord and Thunderfury. Then into Burning Crusade there were the Warglaives of Azzinoth. These are weapons wielded by big time Lore Characters. You got to see Rags with the Hammer and Illidan with the glaives in WC3. I realize I'm just arguing sementics here.

    Speaking of semantics. What if there was a disconnect? Legendaries remained items that were at least featured in the lore, things whispered about through the ages. And the others are artifacts? Items of extreme power from an eldritch and bygone age, or strange culture?

    In that scenario would people be less upset?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tziva View Post
    I disagree that a legendary effort was required to reach Illidan. As I mentioned in a prior post in this thread, my raid saw a Glaive drop on one of our first kills of Illidan and we were a casual raid (I think we did six hours a week in Burning Crusade). I certainly am proud that we achieved what we did in the hours we participated in, but I don't feel it was a more legendary accomplishment then, say, the rogue daggers I completed in Dragonsoul. Despite DS being fuckall easier than Black Temple, the thing that really gave the daggers the legendary feel was the quest line and the amount of time and work that I had to put into it. I realise that different people may disagree on that point and feel that lucky RNG from a somewhat difficult boss is more legendary feeling that some tricky quests and weeks of collection from a bunch of easier ones, but it's not as clear-cut as you make it sound.

    It might be more true (although I'd still say less so than the quest lines of Wrath and Cataclysm) for Kil'jaedan's bow as it was quite a feat to beat -- or even see -- him at level 70, but in any case it is subjective enough that it is probably not worth debating.
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    I have the gem, but no Sha-touched weapon.

    I have obtained 6k Valour Points, but suck at PvP and cannot find a group for Twinbraids.

    I feel pretty legendary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor Faustus View Post
    I have the gem, but no Sha-touched weapon.

    I have obtained 6k Valour Points, but suck at PvP and cannot find a group for Twinbraids.

    I feel pretty legendary
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    but suck at PvP and cannot find a group for Twinbraids.
    Just queue random. You win eventually. It's extremely retarded to force PvEers (Since We do have 0 PvP gear) into BGs, but it's only 2 of them, so we can just man up and get through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    .... I'm not surpised one bit... Please return to your cave already...
    Great job with the insults and adding nothing to the discussion. I have given you ample evidence and support, and yet you only post to flame me. Post something constructive or nothing at all Venziir.

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    Can we please make a formal agreement to not respond to anything the OP says ever? The dude never has anything nice to say about the game, or anyone. I suspect he is a very lonely person, and honestly I am getting tired of hearing him underhandedly berate people without using damning terms to minimize their opinion or feelings on a subject that he otherwise disagrees with.

    Moral of the story? Leave Jaylock to his own devices and don't show him any attention.

  18. #398
    You know what's legendary? This thread... its fucking gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeeh View Post
    You know what's legendary? This thread... its fucking gold.
    I'm embarassed it took me so long to realise it was a Jaylock thread, it had all the signs...
    I guess it's because he changed his avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tziva View Post
    I disagree that a legendary effort was required to reach Illidan. As I mentioned in a prior post in this thread, my raid saw a Glaive drop on one of our first kills of Illidan and we were a casual raid (I think we did six hours a week in Burning Crusade). I certainly am proud that we achieved what we did in the hours we participated in, but I don't feel it was a more legendary accomplishment then, say, the rogue daggers I completed in Dragonsoul. Despite DS being fuckall easier than Black Temple, the thing that really gave the daggers the legendary feel was the quest line and the amount of time and work that I had to put into it. I realise that different people may disagree on that point and feel that lucky RNG from a somewhat difficult boss is more legendary feeling that some tricky quests and weeks of collection from a bunch of easier ones, but it's not as clear-cut as you make it sound.

    It might be more true (although I'd still say less so than the quest lines of Wrath and Cataclysm) for Kil'jaedan's bow as it was quite a feat to beat -- or even see -- him at level 70, but in any case it is subjective enough that it is probably not worth debating.
    Oh, casual guilds like yours existed and thrived back then. But it still took your guild legendary effort and blood sweat and tears to kill the bosses that led up to Illidan. Same with KJ if your guild happened to get there.

    The bad casuals who whine "my $15 a month is the same as your $15 a month, i deserve to see all the content" group are the ones who continue the same line of whining today. These are the people who do not deserve legendary items today. They dont deserve to see orange on their character, and im afraid Blizzard is just a train wreck now just handing them out to any person who breathes.

    Also, there shouldn't be a "one size fits all" legendary. They had the train of thought that they would choose which classes now got a legendary, and which patch to introduce a legendary if they felt it was a good time. But now they have completely steered away from that and offering legendaries to the masses. "oh hey, look at that, not only do i get faceroll purple pixels, but now i get a faceroll orange pixel item!"

    This just sickens me.

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