at 35% that is roughly 105k hp, 3% of this = 9450 HP/S.
Now 105k hp? My level 85! Boomkin, can burst about 45k on a player target, add to this Lunar procs and CD usage... if the warrior is as bad as stated, there is just NO way even with the dmg reduction that you cant outdps 9450 HP/s at lvl 89. You'd have to be terrible :S
Anyone who cant burst through second wind needs to have a serious look in the mirror, unless the warrior is stacking resi like crazy, it should be no problems as long as you focus your burst the second you see the buff pop.
Also in 5.2 the healing will be reduced in pvp, and the defensive stance dmg reduction will be down to 15%, in line with all other dps class dmg reductions.
I find alot of classes OP, but warrior is not one I have any difficulties with, atleast not because of their survivability... their burst is a completely different story.
The OP's topic, regardless of his level gap, really just boils down to a song we've all heard before: SW is OP, anyone else agree with me?
Rather than sensibly accept the fact that a level gap in Mists, even as small as one level, makes a huge difference, he came here to bitch about the talent.
My contribution to this topic was that, when things are on equal ground, Second Wind is not this unbeatable HoT from hell that renders even a 'terribad' warrior unkillable. That is hyperbole, that is nonsense, that is QQ from people who have the all-too obvious agenda of getting it nerfed because a warrior isn't a free HK anymore. Which they succeeded in doing, come 5.2.
I love how people just want to read (and try to counter what they want) other than depend on true testing. Sure I was a bit biased, but I still ran a neutral test, based on what information I was given. A character with equal (or even lesser) gear even 2 levels below 90, hitting on a lvl 90 character with equal gear (meaning no raid or PvP gear, blues are allowed, although my test was with quest greens and dungeon blues) was still able to defeat a level 90 character. If you come up with other results, please post them, but, you might have to give me logs, since, although I didn't post mine, I log almost everything, so you would need to give me proof besides just your word, and I'll also provide mine. Since I already know what your real results will be, and your logs will prove if you cheated in any way. You people can spout all you want about what you THINK is true, without logs to back it up, you don't prove anything. And since I was pretty much ignored, although so far in this entire thread I was the only one to test this, you need to provide results. I don't care if you back his claim or try to deny it, if you can't give out logs, you are talking out of your ass.
I have found out, a guildie hasn't leveled his lvl 85 fully PvP geared Warrior, and we're going to test another extreme. His (Glad mind you) Warrior against a level 90 Boomkin, just to see if a last-expansion Warrior with quips can manage at least a while against a non-PvP geared Boomkin. This will be almost as far as I can take my tests. I have yet to run across 2 fully quipped last-season glads to round this up to an almost complete circle, but this is just within a few hours of even the OP, so I would need a bit to time to complete a full round of complete data.
Last edited by Sparky_b; 2013-01-20 at 08:01 AM.
That is strange how i manage to pass SW on not bad geared 89 lv warrior with rogue lv 85 who dint have even 390 Ilv pve gear
Till now i dint have ant problems to kill some warrior even few levels above me
Ok I can do 40k+ on dungeon bosses, this is down to less than 25k against players, the problem is where his Second Wind heals him between my 2.4 second Starfire casts, since Starfire does 12-13k non crit and he heals for 9k twice in that period I am literally doing nothing to him. What kind of gear was the boomkin you tested this with wearing? I only do each dungeon once to get the achievement so I am in 399ish with the 4 pieces of blue gear I kept from dungeon quests. We checked again and it seems the Deathknight is missing with 25-30% of his attacks, and is mostly 384 gear.
You seem to forget that haste, crit, mastery, etc require more points per level right? The blues you get at 88-89 are barely better then ds-hc gear, add in the scaling and suddenly you do a lot lower dps and they pretty much stated they are in gear worse then that...
And the healing won't be reduced, it just won't heal when you are stunned.
Plate (when it counts) + 25% damage reduction from defensive stance with no penalties (at least none that really count) + second wind = SKEEEEEL!
Don't worry about it. Next patch, warriors won't be camping in def stance and will be a lot squishier.
Thank you for the reply, and yes I'm skeptical, but I'd rather be proven wrong than just dismissing your claim. If I'm wrong (unlike almost everybody here in this thread), not only will you have proof you're right, but it can be claimed once and for all mathematically.
I live in the US, and right now (can't believe I'm still awake actually), my tester is offline. So I'll have to wait a while. Once he gets on I can get you links to every piece of gear he has, and (sorry but I'd rather you know everything at once, so you can at least run sims), I'll also link everything I have as well. I also can't post his logs til he's online, I didn't get his side data-wise.
For you other people: Just shut up or give real data. I say that, because once my logs get put in, all of you are wrong otherwise, so you don't need to give any of your incorrect data. "BLAH BLAH IS OP, BLAH BLAH NEEDS BUFF, BLAH BLAH IS FINE" Yeah? You got logs? Don't link me your AJ bullshit, because I'm higher ranked than almost all of your test data. Link logs or you can all just shut up.
its people like the original poster that will make the warrior class unplayable next season. I don't blame the original poster though, i blame blizzard for giving in.
Ok, sorry, I know for an American, this is either extremely early or I just woke up (the former). But during this fight, did you use CCs? Did you try to LOS him so you could heal up? Without your own logs, despite mine, there is a huge amount of thigs you could have done...... Did you use Hurricane? Did you (you're a boomkin, yes?) use Innervate? How much MP did you have at the end, was he able to run you oom to kill you? When he was in WS mode, was he able to keep you off of him, even at ranged? (since you are a ranged spec) Was he (despite you saying he was nub), doing some things right? Before I'm even able to post my other dude's logs, the guy I fought, he LOS'd me, he ran when he was in trouble, he knew when my CDs were down, etc. I asked all of that because earlier you mentioned you were a casual player. Nothing wrong with that, but before I have a complete set of data to throw at you (and if you're a casual guy, my army of info would just overwhelm you anyways), what did you do? If you could be as detailed or elaborate as you can, that would helps us all a huge amount.
-Edit- early morning typos, sorry
Last edited by Sparky_b; 2013-01-20 at 01:13 PM.
Warrior is in levelling greens (300-320k hp max)
He was sat there being a target dummy, i.e. Not doing anything
Since he's in greens, he would only have the 40% base resi
He -might- have used Def Stance.
His near 50k dps, and the DKs DPS, including Necrotics, should be able to out damage Second Wind. As I mentioned in a previous post it would be at most 12k HPS if he was at 340k HP, less in the greens he is in.
Last edited by Treelife; 2013-01-20 at 01:19 PM.
everyone can outdmg second wind if they have gear you wont even notice he heals , but seeing you ppl say that you cant kill a 90warr as lvl below him thats lame. How will the warrior felt if he dies by someone that is bellow level then him with green gear . You are saying that its okay to die by level 89 or 88 while you are 90?
what itemlvl did you have at that time because 12-13k starfire noncrits seems a bit low for me
while leveling my boomkin i did something like 18-20k non crits at 89
edit: okay maybe that was me becouse of 2 mastery proc trinkets an reforging my gear to mastery
Last edited by Riordrian; 2013-01-20 at 02:00 PM.
DS Heroic gear is 410, while Dread Wastes gear is around 437 as far as I can remember, while blues reach 450 and you 2 have gear in the 384-399 marker... You basicly have gear that is outdone by gear avaible to you in Valley of the 4 winds (86 zone) and the previous expansion, seriously why do you wonder your damage is shit?
Conclusion? Warriors are overpowered, and have been so for a while here in MoP. Certain undergeared classes stands no chance against a warrior, and it's even worse when you are fighting one above your level.
Thank god it will be fixed in next patch, though I am not really caring a lot about 1v1 scenarios.