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  1. #121
    I don't really understand all this hate and flame for high rated arenaplayers. THEY are the ones who have been asking for this gear change entire season. It helps everyone. Makes it possible to gear up alts and increases the amount of people queing for arena. Even the idea for increased points to ppl starting in mid season came from arenajunkies poster(nadagastt). Most of arenaplayers don't give a damn about gear. They don't want to outgear enemies and roflstomp them becouse they have T2 and enemy does not.

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    This is really interesting... we'll see how players screw this new system

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    Quote Originally Posted by rzz View Post
    I don't really understand all this hate and flame for high rated arenaplayers. THEY are the ones who have been asking for this gear change entire season. It helps everyone. Makes it possible to gear up alts and increases the amount of people queing for arena. Even the idea for increased points to ppl starting in mid season came from arenajunkies poster(nadagastt). Most of arenaplayers don't give a damn about gear. They don't want to outgear enemies and roflstomp them becouse they have T2 and enemy does not.
    I think most of the QQ left is just directed at not being a unique snowflake anymore with the elite gear given to everyone who has 27,000+ Cpoints.

    It's an absurd complaint.

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    This is a nice change. I haven't done arena since wrath since its not my idea of fun. BUT I do hope they atleast add transmog sets for those that get over 2200 points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niberion View Post
    They didn't change anything to that.
    You'll have honor gear
    conquest gear
    elite conquest gear

    and in 5.3, you can upgrade all of it. Nothing changed, people that started late just get more conquest and you no longer need a rating for elite gear, which doesn't really matter since wintraders/pros will get it weeks/months before any other player gets it.
    I didn't say this fixed it all. I just said it was a step in the right direction, which I think it is. Best thing would just to give everyone access to full PvP gear immediately, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airwaves View Post
    This is a nice change. I haven't done arena since wrath since its not my idea of fun. BUT I do hope they atleast add transmog sets for those that get over 2200 points.
    Why should they waste development time making an entire new set for each class each season, just so they can feel special and unique? They did it once for the entire expansion in regards to Challenge Modes. And that can be achieved by anyone, including PvPers.

    The best you guys can hope for is some new tabards and the titles under Gladaitor made permanent and awarded in-season. Anything more is unreasonable and wasting development time. Stop worrying so much how you look and how others perceive you and just kill people. So sad.

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    people are missing the point, YES everyone will run in Elite gear AT THE END OF THE SEASON when it no longer matters, good players will get it twice as fast and will still have advantage for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JhanZ View Post
    Why should they waste development time making an entire new set for each class each season, just so they can feel special and unique? They did it once for the entire expansion in regards to Challenge Modes. And that can be achieved by anyone, including PvPers.

    The best you guys can hope for is some new tabards and the titles under Gladaitor made permanent and awarded in-season. Anything more is unreasonable and wasting development time. Stop worrying so much how you look and how others perceive you and just kill people. So sad.
    Wellwell. The problem is that pve players get unique looks, new achievements etc for every raidtier. Pvpers have the one set and every1 will look the same. Imo it would be good idea to add some new achievements, transmogear (does not need new model maybe recolor?), tabards, minipets or something for high arena/rbg rates. Just to motivate casual pvpers to learn and push for higher ratings instead of farming the 10 games per week. Ofc there are players like me who plays arena becouse its fun instead of loots but imo those things would increase the amount of people queing to arena.

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    Coming from a multi glad full maleovalent t2 2/2 upgraded on every piece, but like 3 pieces. I'm happy that something is being done to the gear gap, but there is more that needs to be done such as equalizing the cap provided from 3v3 arena/rbgs and having players be able to buy the full set with honor past 27k conquest be account wide for alts.

    People actually being able to play alts competitively should help a lot with bringing some activity back to the mostly dead ladders. Who actually cares about the 2200 gear when people buy sales, get it in (exploited) rbgs, transmog exists or for people using model editing programs like evermorph in the past/now tmorph.

    Still disappointing that people have to wait till 5.2 for warrior nerfs instead of it just coming with 5.1. Even with how bad cataclysm was at least 4.1 nerfed how dumb warriors were in s9.
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    I'm excited for these changes. Gj Blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totemgarden View Post
    This is the worst update in the game. all the terrible players will be given gear for no reason. way to ruin arenas blizzard and anyone who says im wrong is stuck in the 1500 bracket
    What are you worried about? If they're 'terrible', then you won't have a problem beating them in equal gear now, will you? Or are you actually terrible, and rely on a falsified 'skill' crutch known currently as a gear gap to beat people?

    Anyone who disagrees with these changes is a scrub. More equal playing field = more competition = better PVP environment. Anyone who argues against this just shows that they do, in fact, rely on gear over skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rzz View Post
    Wellwell. The problem is that pve players get unique looks, new achievements etc for every raidtier. Pvpers have the one set and every1 will look the same. Imo it would be good idea to add some new achievements, transmogear (does not need new model maybe recolor?), tabards, minipets or something for high arena/rbg rates. Just to motivate casual pvpers to learn and push for higher ratings instead of farming the 10 games per week. Ofc there are players like me who plays arena becouse its fun instead of loots but imo those things would increase the amount of people queing to arena.
    Do you even realize how small of a percentage arena holds over the overall PvP playerbase? It's a mini side game. That's all it is. You're asking for comparable rewards to PvE for this shoebox PvP minigame. No.

    You don't deserve anything other than some minor cosmetic awards. Not only does a small percentage play arena, a significantly smaller percentage of that total plays well enough to garner these "2200" rewards. It's a complete waste of development. They're finally smartening up and opening up the PvP gear to the entire PvP playerbase.

    Really though, what's all the fuss about adding all of these rewards for being -mediocre-? You're 2200, you aren't suddenly good at the game. That's what's reserved for Gladiator, and they get their due rewards. You want to look/feel special? Achieve Gladiator.

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    if PvP was about skill and not gear, then they'd give free PvP gear out to everyone and everyone would wear the same gear.

    then of course, there'd be no gear progression, and players who devote a lot of time to pvping won't feel rewarded... always makes me laugh how people are like "it's about skill not gear", but the moment you threaten to take the gear out of it and put everyone on equal terms, it becomes about gear.

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    soooo, whats the reward for being awsome in arena now ? elite gear was the reward, now there is nothing for 2200+,2500+ etc rewards

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    The changes for Elite gear are kinda lame, the helping new-comers gear up is welcome, though. I didn't want to level my DK because the whole undergeared thing, so it seems I'll be fine next season at least 10 weeks in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JhanZ View Post
    Do you even realize how small of a percentage arena holds over the overall PvP playerbase? It's a mini side game. That's all it is. You're asking for comparable rewards to PvE for this shoebox PvP minigame. No.

    You don't deserve anything other than some minor cosmetic awards. Not only does a small percentage play arena, a significantly smaller percentage of that total plays well enough to garner these "2200" rewards. It's a complete waste of development. They're finally smartening up and opening up the PvP gear to the entire PvP playerbase.

    Really though, what's all the fuss about adding all of these rewards for being -mediocre-? You're 2200, you aren't suddenly good at the game. That's what's reserved for Gladiator, and they get their due rewards. You want to look/feel special? Achieve Gladiator.
    I don't think you got the point. I don't care about gear or being special snowflake. I just hoped those cosmetics would increase the interrest of pve / casual players to actually play rated pvp ---> increase the amount of people playing pvp ---> shorter ques, more teams and different setups. And like i said before only minor cosmetics / minipets should be added as rewards. No gear advantage..

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocobo606 View Post
    if PvP was about skill and not gear, then they'd give free PvP gear out to everyone and everyone would wear the same gear.

    then of course, there'd be no gear progression, and players who devote a lot of time to pvping won't feel rewarded... always makes me laugh how people are like "it's about skill not gear", but the moment you threaten to take the gear out of it and put everyone on equal terms, it becomes about gear.
    Most of the people complaining about the 2200 elite gear being given to everyone are some of the most toxic players I've ever encountered in the game. WoW would wholly benefit from their departure. Hopefully Blizzard realizes that. The PvP community has become rife with elitism and boosting, it's sickening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandamists View Post
    The changes for Elite gear are kinda lame, the helping new-comers gear up is welcome, though. I didn't want to level my DK because the whole undergeared thing, so it seems I'll be fine next season at least 10 weeks in.
    titles, mounts?

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    As long as the mats costs for dreadful gear is not extortionate, this will be ok.

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    what the fuck is this ?
    Gear Changes
    To accomplish the goals of making PvP more accessible and less punishing, gearing more consistent and flexible, and flattening the power curve out over the course of a season, there are some significant changes in the works:
    2200 rating requirements removed from all PvP gear. (5.2)
    Gear will be available in four tiers:
    Dreadful Gladiator’s gear will be crafted. (5.2)
    Malevolent Gladiator’s gear, including weapons, will be purchased with Honor Points. (5.2)
    New tier of PvP items: Tyrannical Gladiator’s gear will be purchased with Conquest Points. (5.2)
    Tyrannical Gladiator’s gear can be purchased for Honor after 27000 Conquest Points are earned for the season. (5.3)
    Elite Tyrannical Gladiator’s gear can only be purchased with Conquest Points after 27,000 Conquest Points have been earned for the season. (5.2)
    what ?? ow this is the finish of the game . i will better play some WoT or Dota , for free but wouldnt pay for this shit . Cause i am responsive player 2x gladiator and should.....
    The make free rbg (evereyone can take 2.2 on rbg for 1 hour) and ow they will give epics for free ? no hardcore ?
    this game totaly die after Ulduar, there no borders between guys who farm LFR and guys who kill Sha. just will abort my account GL HF Blizzard (and big ThX cause i can stop play ) =))

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