I have not claimed to have other proof, thats why I don't make ridiculous claims like " we had a very limited poll that not everyone filled out, on a site that not everyone uses" you know?
No, polls are not indicative of a majority, or a minority, or anything else like you claim. You can only say 'Of the people that took this specific poll, more of them wanted flying in Pandaria." Thats it.
Again, I back Blizzard in their choice, and in their thoughts that adding flying mounts in the first place was a bad idea. I LOVE the fact they have no been added in Rift.(Yet)
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Yessir. I agree.
Leveling is easy and mounts have no bearing on difficulty? So what does me flying or riding change exactly then, that you are so vehemently against? You are just saying no for the sake of saying no.
As far as the repeat customer thing, I might go to a different barber but thanks to the stamp card I'm definitely going back to him.
Apparently not "everyone" liked it because Blizzard reverted the ability to fly, in Wrath, to 70 around mid-way through the expansion.
Blizzard has expressed a self-centered interest in keeping people "on the ground" as long as possible so that we are forced to see the content they worked on. I suspect (and hope) that they'll change this around the mid-point of the expansion, much in the same way that they did during Wrath.
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Blizzard makes their money off of people grinding alts. It's been that way since Wrath and Cata really accelerated it. As such it wouldn't be unreasonable for Blizzard, maybe half way into the expansion or so, to make flying available at level 85. By that point most of the player-base will have seen the content from the ground, which was Blizzards reason for not granting flight until 90.
And it's worth noting that Blizzard could have made flying available at level 85 and let the players choose how they wanted to see the content. THAT would have made it the choice of the player-base. Right now Blizzard is more interested in forcing people to see the "content" they always brag about working so hard on.
MID-WAY was not 4 months for wrath, wrath was around for 2 years before cata launched (tad less than 2 years before MoP) = about 1 year had passed before the patch for the tome of flying, if people could survive that long before I think people can survive that again. There was alot more open space in wrath than MoP, in MoP everything is maybe a minute run to get to them its not that hard to quest by ground mount.
ps- i dont mind there being a tome or something of the like, I just want something for like 87 or 88, NOT 85
Vehemently? Uhh? Man. The whiners in this thread are the most over dramatic bunch I swear. I support Blizzard in saying its a bad choice. I think its toxic to many parts of the game. Its anti-social, it makes parts of the game easier that don't need to be easier, parts of the game faster, that are already fast,.
Flying mounts are in no way necessary, they don't make quests easier. Having to use ground mounts aren't torture, it doesn't make anything grueling. If you guys really feel this way about PLAYING THE GAME, then maybe you should stop playing games in general. If flying mounts had never been given in the first place, I doubt there would be anywhere near as much bitching.
Problem is that TBC didn't encourage people to have one or more of every class to be at 70 where as CATA, leaned towards alts with the fast progression and slow new content output.
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You keep avoiding my question and call me a whiner for questioning you. Well played I guess. You also keep defeating your own point by saying that either way questing is the same, so I'll assume you agree with me.
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Um..The problem with not being able to fly in pandaria is the lvl90's. All the lvl90's camping people in MoP zones. They can all play away woooo. And we cannot get away. We cant just res and fly off..WE CANT FLY. We get forced to either afk for like 2 hrs. Or Res via dead lady. Which delays you 10 mins if you had rly bad gear. Or if its by the person camping you..get forced to die again.
No. You can reverse that crappy logic. "questing is the same, don't need em" WHICH IS TRUE. I did directly answer you. Good try though.
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For one, everything you do affects my gameplay. Thats what you are forgetting. This is not a one player game. So get over that crappy argument. Everything is give and take. I don't have to use bad feature of the time, but this in no way means my gameplay will not be affected by their being implemented.
Again, I agree with Blizzard.
That literally has 0 to do with it. You can still play your main unless they discontinued your server, which is false. Serving merging or transfer cost does not prohibit you from playing your main.
You can still play other characters. Ground mounts until 90 does not prohibit you from playing alts. It apparently only turns you into a whiny baby.
I also never said that questing now is torture. It's not about wanting things handed to me. It's about want to do things the most efficient way possible. You latched on to one part of my first post and used it as a way to berate me. I feel like a BoA tome is a happy medium, and the only thing against flying after experiencing the whole leveling experience is for the people who like to grief players by camping lvl 85's on their 90's. I play on a PvE realm btw so ganking doesn't effect me.
I don't see how flying ruins the social aspect of the game. Personally I never see anyone while leveling, and if I do its just so they can snag a quest mob before I get a chance to hit it. If anything the tagging and solo questing experience is far worse for the social aspect than merely flying around from hub to hub.
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It's funny how your go-to for anyone with a different opinion from yours is, Whiny baby QQ. Guess it's not worth debating with you since all you do is dodge questions and insult people.
No, I haven't dodged a question. You literally just replied to me in this very same post about reasons why I dislike flying mounts. So that's just a lie. =\ And yes, sorry, crying that you "can't play your main because you want a server xfer" is just that; QQ.
Also, quest mobs can be killed together without a group. They reformed that tagging system already.
Yes, many people in favor flying all the time have called questing anf such "torture, grueling, too hard, etc" ...
This logic about "it doesn't affect you" could be used to say "Blizzard give me money and free gear, it doesn't affect Brash or anyone else" ..... It doesn't does it?
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I don't need to justify that. Thats not my, or Blizzards fault. Somehow I doubt all the guilds on your server are full, or you happen to be the only one.
I also doubt you have all the achievements you can get solo already.
LFR is a raid.
PVP has all kinds of "random" cross server options.
Even so, you can do many cross server things now anyway. I'm pretty sure you can crosss server arena and BG, and most of the old raids you can do cross server.
You're right, you can't do cross server raids or join a cross server guild to my knowledge.
Yeah seriously why is this? Does more pixel space cost Blizzard more money or what?
Offtopic that really cheapened MoP for me, one of the appeals of WoW for me beyond pvp and raids was having this huge open world to explore. I remember seeing Ulduar for the first time and just thinking, "wow". The scale was massive and it literally took my breath away. I NEVER EVER NOT ONCE had that feeling so far in MoP, in Cata the zones were also small and unimpressive except for maybe the inside of the Firelands instance.
Ontopic, it is still early in the expansion so hopefully we'll see an implementation of some sort of tome feature eventually.
It makes the game less fun though.
Seriously flying is fun. It's enjoyable. I love being able to fly. I love that I'm riding a dragon. I love seeing the wow world from the sky. I love exploring on my flying mount. I love being able to move around efficiently.
Re the harder comment though what is it that having no ground mounts for anyone would bring to wow that outweighs the costs (aside from world pvp)?
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I know you haven't claimed to have other proof but you are using the lack of proof to argue you're right 'you can't prove me wrong therefore I must be right', which is a fallacy.
That's still more than you have.
Yes rift is so successful compared to wow, obviously they're doing it right.
Can you provide me with a quote from Blizzard? Because the only one I've seen is the quote from Ghostcrawler, which he makes clear is a personal opinion.
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So, what have we learned here? The minority of posters here came to say "I cant stand flying so no one else deserves it." A few have legitimate points against it but are alright with the fact that people might think differently. And the rest of us agree that a BoA tome is the best solution.
I am sick of seeing 85's already flying in MoP usually along the mining circuit in valley of the 4 winds. I was reporting a dozen glitchers a day at one point.
[QUOTE=Windfury;19900383]LOL don't over exaggerate to prove a point. In a game where you can only sense what is going on by sight (Mainly) there really isn;t a huge difference between moving the xy or z axis.It makes the game less fun though.
Seriously flying is fun. It's enjoyable. I love being able to fly. I love that I'm riding a dragon. I love seeing the wow world from the sky. I love exploring on my flying mount. I love being able to move around efficiently.
Re the harder comment though what is it that having no ground mounts for anyone would bring to wow that outweighs the costs (aside from world pvp)?
No, I literally said "This is not proof."I know you haven't claimed to have other proof but you are using the lack of proof to argue you're right 'you can't prove me wrong therefore I must be right', which is a fallacy.
Its not more than I have, because its not actually "proof"That's still more than you have.
The does not matter in regards to my comment, and does not matter in regards to WoW and its disallowing flying pre 90. Its a fallacy.Yes rift is so successful compared to wow, obviously they're doing it right.
I could, but I am lazy and they are featured on MMO quite often. Ghostcrawler alone couldn't be the sole person holding back this decision.Can you provide me with a quote from Blizzard? Because the only one I've seen is the quote from Ghostcrawler, which he makes clear is a personal opinion.
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Hyperbole, lies, etc etc.