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  1. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by klaps_05 View Post
    maybe just under 10, i rly have no clue of chinese/asian player base and their intentions
    Given the Asian players play a different amount for the game (much less, and per hour) they shouldn't be count the same as a sub. But Blizzard decided at some point they should count the same. Weird huh? Talking about giving your own statistics less credibility.
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  2. #382
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    I don't know..
    The daily system is a complaint of many people.
    But if it takes 6 months without any fresh content to drop the subs by 1 million, then something as optional as dailies can't hurt the game that much.
    That's my take on it!
    IN game features never were a big reason for a rise or a drop. The launch of another Blizzard fantasy game or the free to play industry are ...

  3. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by Malkazam View Post
    9 or 10 millions players didn't mean that they are still playing or active in game.

    9 millions ''in the world'' maybe but i would love to see the number for North America/Europe only.
    Why does that matter. Do SA accounts not count? How about AU/NZ accounts? What about Asian accounts? They all count. This is so ridiculous thinking that NA/EU accounts only matter.

  4. #384
    Quote Originally Posted by lolalola View Post
    Given the Asian players play a different amount for the game (much less, and per hour) they shouldn't be count the same as a sub. But Blizzard decided at some point they should count the same. Weird huh? Talking about giving your own statistics less credibility.
    It is the default system of China. They have the communist party control everything: that includes HOW games are paid for and played.

    Did you even know the China government does NOT allow consoles over there ?

    So what do you want Blizzard to do? Overthrow the government and change their laws ???

    Also playing by the hour is not "cheap" either. You can compare it with your cell phone contract based per time used... Is that cheap too ?
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  5. #385
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckadoodle View Post
    Numbers are a metric that can be manipulated in many different ways. the haters will say game is dying a slow death, the fan's will say it is still the most successful MMO in the world the truth will be somewhere in the middle and the stock market will truly determine the fate of the game.
    Unless they lost over 8M subs it is still the most successful MMO in the world. Actually even if it died today it is still the most successful MMO ever. Sub count at this point is moot in determining its success since it became the biggest and most successful less than a year after launch and no one has come close since.

  6. #386
    When is the conference? i dont know how this CET PET works. Im from Europe
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  7. #387
    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhamer View Post
    Unless they lost over 8M subs it is still the most successful MMO in the world. Actually even if it died today it is still the most successful MMO ever. Sub count at this point is moot in determining its success since it became the biggest and most successful less than a year after launch and no one has come close since.
    Not even telling 90% of the rest of the bunch all went free to play and no longer HAVE subscriptions.

    So people are discussing a vacuum situation here and don't want to SEE the reality: where are those other million subscription based games ???

  8. #388
    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    It is the default system of China. They have the communist party control everything: that includes HOW games are paid for and played.

    Did you even know the China government does NOT allow consoles over there ?

    So what do you want Blizzard to do? Overthrow the government and their laws ???
    I never said I DISAGREED with the way people in some random country I've never been pay for a game. Local market, policy, culture, law it is everything. I see a company who operates in an other country as a GUEST.

    With that said my post was about how Blizzard counts the subscriptions.

    I don't see how you could interpret my post the way you did.
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  9. #389
    Quote Originally Posted by Heresy View Post
    That's quite interesting.
    Seems to fit with my speculation that the current amount of subs will be around 8.3 million in my previous post earlier in this thread (with a worst case 7.5 mill, best case 9 mill).

    They said they sold 1.2 million annual passes. So that is about 10% of the wow population. Of those 1.2 million passes, only 378k are level 90 with the mount. Of course there might be people who have yet to reach level 90, but it still means a potential drop of ~822k+ people from annual passes alone.
    Don't forget most players never reach level cap with 1 character and I do not think MoP has been released in all regions unless it has been recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolalola View Post
    Given the Asian players play a different amount for the game (much less, and per hour) they shouldn't be count the same as a sub. But Blizzard decided at some point they should count the same. Weird huh? Talking about giving your own statistics less credibility.
    Why shouldn't they count ?? They are paying a service like the rest of us, It just different cause of there government laws & rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhamer View Post
    Don't forget most players never reach level cap with 1 character and I do not think MoP has been released in all regions unless it has been recently.
    It been released in all Regions, China didn't get MoP until a week or so after it was released in Us & EU.
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  11. #391
    Quote Originally Posted by Malkazam View Post
    9 or 10 millions players didn't mean that they are still playing or active in game.

    9 millions ''in the world'' maybe but i would love to see the number for North America/Europe only.
    Shareholders don't give a fuck about that. Again for the millionth time paying accounts are paying accounts regardless of who they are, where they are from, why they pay, how much they pay, how they pay, why they play, how much they play, or how many accounts they have. I have a feeling I will have to repeat this at least another dozen times once the new numbers are out. I'm sorry haters but Blizzard isn't falling to its knees in financial ruin just yet.

  12. #392
    Quote Originally Posted by Deepsidedj View Post
    When is the conference? i dont know how this CET PET works. Im from Europe
    Pacific time is 8 hours behind GMT (the standard). The conference call is at 13:30 pacific time so if you are in the UK it will be at 9:30pm tonight, 10:30 for GMT+1 (France Germany Spain Netherlands Belgium etc, most of western europe) and 11:30 for eastern europe that is considered GMT+2.

  13. #393
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckadoodle View Post
    Numbers are a metric that can be manipulated in many different ways. the haters will say game is dying a slow death, the fan's will say it is still the most successful MMO in the world the truth will be somewhere in the middle and the stock market will truly determine the fate of the game.
    Again the numbers are the numbers no spin doctoring involved. This just simply isn't a subjective matter, I'm sorry but it just isn't. If Blizzard states there are a certain number of active subscriptions then thats that and that is all there is to it. Again the shareholders don't give a fuck about the politics of these forums and the agendas people are constantly pushing. All that matters is that Blizzard is turning a profit and it matters not if people are playing Wow 24/7 or 5 minutes a month. Paying accounts are paying accounts. Period. End of story. It isn't up for debate.

  14. #394
    Quote Originally Posted by lolalola View Post
    I never said I DISAGREED with the way people in some random country I've never been pay for a game. Local market, policy, culture, law it is everything. I see a company who operates in an other country as a GUEST.

    With that said my post was about how Blizzard counts the subscriptions.

    I don't see how you could interpret my post the way you did.
    Let's quote your remark:

    "Given the Asian players play a different amount for the game (much less, and per hour) they shouldn't be count the same as a sub. But Blizzard decided at some point they should count the same. Weird huh? Talking about giving your own statistics less credibility."

    So how is Blizzard supposed to be counting them then, since the "play by the hour" is the default system in communist China? They only account for the dudes being active with these pay to play cards in the last month.

    Also your argument of "pay less" can be used for many western countries too: Russia with its 2 dozen servers pays around 9 dollars, South America even less..., as it appears WOW costs a hefty price compared to China wages over there.

    An active subscription is an active subscription as Blizzard defines it, they can't wage everthing on a kind of index scale (like average income per average playing time, per the country's laws etc...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oogly View Post
    Pacific time is 8 hours behind GMT (the standard). The conference call is at 13:30 pacific time so if you are in the UK it will be at 9:30pm tonight, 10:30 for GMT+1 (France Germany Spain Netherlands Belgium etc, most of western europe) and 11:30 for eastern europe that is considered GMT+2.
    1:30 PDT / 2:30 MDT / 3:30 CDT / 4:30 EDT / 5:00 NFDT (Newfoundland) / 5:30 ADT

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  16. #396
    Quote Originally Posted by Heresy View Post
    Yes, but there could still be some active.

    Annual passes became available Oct/Nov 2011 and new sign ups ended April/May 2012.
    Please keep in mind there are only 1.2 million annual passes and doesn't account for at minimum 3-4 million EU/NA subscriptions NOT on the annual pass. How much longer are you people going to milk this annual pass angle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    By MMORPG standards... absolutely.

    By Stock market investors seeing their profits sink into a pithole - not so much (enter the curse of "growing your business for investors")

    While you'd still be happy, I guarantee at 5 mil subs there would be yelling, mass meetings and firings at Blizzard if that happened, not to mention the ENTIRE game getting a massive ideology reaction-gameplay shift (just like what happened during Firelands>DS). Especially considering that those subscriptions are the ONLY source of continual revenue funding goodness knows how many of their projects that they got going on... This isn't the old Blizz anymore, where they worked on 2 games, 1 expansion each at a time.

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    We're going to find out tomorrow via the investor call at around 1ish...
    Considering Blizzard lost 3 million subscribers in a year and still managed to turn record breaking profits, I think investors have plenty of confidence in the company even if there are more losses. Again there is significantly more to ATVI than just Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avezo View Post
    Can't really see it gaining subs with its current content being primarily grind grind grind and grind in CRZs.
    Because there was never any sort of a grind in this game before Mop. Yeah ok whatever you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    Let's quote your remark:

    "Given the Asian players play a different amount for the game (much less, and per hour) they shouldn't be count the same as a sub. But Blizzard decided at some point they should count the same. Weird huh? Talking about giving your own statistics less credibility."

    So how is Blizzard supposed to be counting them then, since the "play by the hour" is the default system in communist China? They only account for the dudes being active with these pay to play cards in the last month.

    Also your argument of "pay less" can be used for many western countries too: Russia with its 2 dozen servers pays around 9 dollars, South America even less..., as it appears WOW costs a hefty price compared to China wages over there.

    An active subscription is an active subscription as Blizzard defines it, they can't wage everthing on a kind of index scale (like average income per average playing time, per the country's laws etc...).
    BenBos is right, You also gotta take into account money conversion aswell, so that could be the reason for the lower or high cost than the standard 15 dollars in North America.

    Basically like I have said above & many others have said aswell, There paying a service & its counted regardless on how it is payed.
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  18. #398
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    Please keep in mind there are only 1.2 million annual passes and doesn't account for at minimum 3-4 million EU/NA subscriptions NOT on the annual pass. How much longer are you people going to milk this annual pass angle?

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    Considering Blizzard lost 3 million subscribers in a year and still managed to turn record breaking profits, I think investors have plenty of confidence in the company even if there are more losses. Again there is significantly more to ATVI than just Wow.
    That last part is very true. WoW will lose 1-2mil subs but who cares from an investors standpoint? CoD is money machine and Skylanders is such a badass IP.
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  19. #399
    Quote Originally Posted by Oogly View Post
    Pacific time is 8 hours behind GMT (the standard). The conference call is at 13:30 pacific time so if you are in the UK it will be at 9:30pm tonight, 10:30 for GMT+1 (France Germany Spain Netherlands Belgium etc, most of western europe) and 11:30 for eastern europe that is considered GMT+2.
    Just a brief note,

    CET (Central European Time) = GMT + 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avezo View Post
    Can't really see it gaining subs with its current content being primarily grind grind grind and grind in CRZs.
    You never played Vanilla or TBC did you ?? There was way more grind than this and people claim that to be the golden age of WoW.

    The grind for Netherwing drake (daily quests) toke time & flying mounts that toke alot of gold or exalted rep for the mount or training (Expert & Artisan).

    http://www.wowpedia.org/Classic_reputation_rewards
    http://www.wowpedia.org/Burning_Crus...tation_rewards

    New players were just spoiled in Wrath & Cataclysm.
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