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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by phillipisawarlock View Post
    Read the bolded part. It can't be forced if you have options. Do I need to bring up a dictionary for the word forced?
    That's the thing though, I thought I had 3 options. First, too many dailies, and I would get frustrated. I thought I could handle it by focusing on 1 faction at a time, but it didn't help matters at all. Leveling an alt was out of the question with CRZ, and doing dungeons got just as repetitive as dailies, only with a crowd that is quite often as snotty as the people I was trying to get away from in CRZ. And heroic runs, again, more dungeons, and PuGs that with 1 wipe, disbanded. When you knock out leveling an alt and heroics, I was stuck with just the dailies. So the options were gone for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    ...I stand corrected on my assumption. My bad. :P

    Well written... and thanks, because I think similarly to you how you are portrayed here - and this makes me even more wary of trying MoP.
    Don't get me wrong, MoP is a good expansion. I had a lot of fun with the 85-90 content. But feeling restricted to dungeons for leveling alts, and having nothing but dailies at end game, is where the problems lied. I still believe if they added an opt out option for CRZ, I'd resubscribe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero View Post
    This opinion and experience are in the minority. Don't get me wrong, it's valid to feel that way if that is his/her and your experience.

    But all the threads filled with people dissatisfied about dailies have large portions of people disagreeing with that portrayal of dailies, same with CRZ. Again, don't get me wrong -- I have my problems with CRZ but this is the first time I've heard of people being verbally assaulted by other-realm players (which of course isn't to say it never happens, but I honestly can't help but feel this is one bad experience that is being highlighted amongst dozens/hundreds/thousands of experiences where no such thing happened ... one bad experience standing out in memory over dozens/hundreds/thousands of neutral/positive ones)
    Well unfortunately the verbal harassment is actually pretty common. Even in the CRZ threads, some posters posted that they were being harassed through chat, usually through whispers, and being unable to ignore or report them, because CRZ broke that feature and would return a "That player does not exist" error, it was why I stopped trying to level in the pre-mop zones. Here's an example of what I encountered:

    Was a guild event. My guild leader, myself and another member were joining the guild in-character. One of our in character tests was a battle with the guild leader in the gurubashi arena. Others from our realm that happened to be there, with their friends, saw we were RPing and left us alone and fought amongst themselves. All except 1 priest that was the same level as the other recruit, who thought she'd get an easy kill and started shooting our newbie. My guild leader 1 shot her, and we continued. She reappeared, tried attacking me, and I killed her along with the guild leader. We finish up and my guild leader and I leave the area, and the recruit says an 85 rogue just killed her.

    The rogue turned out to be that priest, and started whispering some of the nastiest things at me. She was of course, from the server I paid transfered off of to begin with. Couldn't ignore her, was giving an error, couldn't even report, same problem. I ended up having to switch to my main to get the rude and vulgar messages to stop. And that is just 1 of a couple similar stories.

    And seeing the general forums now, people saying their server populations have declined dramatically since MoP, I believe during this conference call, it will come out that the subs will have dropped by at; (and this is just a guess or hypothetical, no solid number proof) that the subs dropped from 10 million to around 8 or 7 million subscribers. One can only hope if the subscription numbers did indeed drop that dramatically, that they will start actually looking at what people are complaining about the most, and find a happy medium for everyone. Give everyone options.

    Let people who hate CRZ, have an opt out, and those who love it, give incentives for opting in. Offer alternatives to dailies. One suggestion I saw today, actually sounds pretty unique. Daily storylines that are 100% different each day. If there was actual story behind the dailies instead of "go fetch my laundry", I think people like myself would be better entertained. Either way I am definitely interested in what comes out of the conference, and if Blizzard starts to change back to the way they used to be.

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    I'm expecting a 6 million drop in subs

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    I predict that if the sub number is 9.5M or above then Blizzard is going to get accused of faking the numbers, if the number is less than that then I predict a flurry of threads about 'Wow is dying, you better do X' fill in X with your FOTM wish.

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  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Alewen View Post
    That's the thing though, I thought I had 3 options. First, too many dailies, and I would get frustrated. I thought I could handle it by focusing on 1 faction at a time, but it didn't help matters at all.

    Well unfortunately the verbal harassment is actually pretty common. Even in the CRZ threads, some posters posted that they were being harassed through chat, usually through whispers, and being unable to ignore or report them, because CRZ broke that feature and would return a "That player does not exist" error
    I felt overwhelmed by the number of dailies available myself, initially. But then I decided I would only focus on the ones that gave me access to gear at first (leaving out Cloud Serpent, Tillers, Anglers). Then after I got to exalted with those, I hit up the vanity-reward factions. Helped me immensely with not being frustrated at the timesink. But for you really, it sounds like maybe you've just sorta burnt out on the game (the bad experiences certainly don't help).

    As far as ignoring off-server folks, I've found I've been able to do it by manually typing "/ignore CharacterName-ServerName". Hope that helps. If nothing else, you can manually open a ticket to report someone for that type of behavior if the report function doesn't work.

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  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    I'm expecting a 6 million drop in subs
    Can I have what you're smoking?
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    Its not a matter of opinion when FACTS back up the fact that this is one of the best expansions they have ever created.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by phillipisawarlock View Post
    Can I have what you're smoking?
    i've been smoking CRZ

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    I think you'll see more of a dip than people are anticipating here. Why? Because of the fact that 1-year-commitment started to run out for people, and many of us didn't bother coming back. The majority of my guild dropped their subs, myself included. The daily grind wasn't fun, CRZ isn't fun, not being able to fly in the new questing zones wasn't fun, and the fact that they now seem to be snubbing the idea of people leveling lots of alts (which is something lots of people in my guild did) meant that I didn't really have anything to do anymore.

    For the entire last 2 months left on my subscription, I barely logged in. I'm glad that some people are still enjoying the game I guess, but for me the pinnacle of access to content and fun factor was near the middle/end of Wrath. I will not be coming back unless substantial changes are made, some of them are non-negotiable. My guild went from raiding weekly during Cata and Wrath to not raiding at all once MoP hit, even after people hit 90 and started gearing (with the exception of a few people running LFR).

    I think the big thing that you're overestimating is how much casual players "enjoyed" this expansion, and casual players exist in larger numbers than hardcore/elitist players. The hardcores may be the most vocal and chatty around here about liking/loving this expansion and the changes, but many of the rest of us simply drifted away and won't come back. My Xbox has seen more playtime in the last week than the entire last two months of my WoW sub. I used to consider myself a hardcore/casual, and logged in every day, spent a few hours on vent after my daughter went to sleep at night running stuff or questing. There was a period of almost three years where I didn't miss logging on one day, even when I had surgery to have my wisdom teeth removed. It wasn't Blizzard adding things like LFR and LFD to the game that ruined my guild. It was MoP, pure and simple. We weren't huge, but we had a very consistent base of people that started to vanish a month into the expansion after hitting 90.

    I'm sure the attitude to my post will be that you're glad casual players like us are gone, but eventually that'll come back to bite you.

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    I dont believe the subs will drop too much this time, I'm expecting a gain actually, but I'm a strong believer they will drop 2mil if there is another 12 month gap without content.

    The last update on subs was just a week or so after Mists launched and thats not accounting for sales over the next 4 months where sales still are fairly high, including christmas.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Alewen View Post
    That's the thing though, I thought I had 3 options. First, too many dailies, and I would get frustrated. I thought I could handle it by focusing on 1 faction at a time, but it didn't help matters at all. Leveling an alt was out of the question with CRZ, and doing dungeons got just as repetitive as dailies, only with a crowd that is quite often as snotty as the people I was trying to get away from in CRZ. And heroic runs, again, more dungeons, and PuGs that with 1 wipe, disbanded. When you knock out leveling an alt and heroics, I was stuck with just the dailies. So the options were gone for me.
    I am very confused by some of this.

    I really want to know during Cata what did you do?

    Your saying that all the heroics you join wipe and disband? If this is the case now (where heroics are far easier than in 4.0) what happened in 4.0?

    What did you do?

    Since outside of raiding in 4.0 the ONLY content was heroics, in 5.0 (and 5.1) there are more options not less and the options are actually easier not header.

    OT: Pretty sure there will be a dip in subs I love MoP more than any expansion before.

    I still log in every day and have options about what I want to do the only thing I do every day is tend to my farm.

    Sometimes I do LFR.
    Sometimes I do Heroics.
    Sometimes I do Scenarios.
    Sometimes I do Dailies (./gasp I don't do these every day!)
    Sometimes I go Relic Hunting.
    Sometimes I (try) to do Challange Modes.

    But I really think there is a threshold on how many subs a single game can have.

    WotLK was the peak of subs the "sweet spot" so to speak, I think there was still new people joining WoW at this point I no longer this is the case, so I do truly believe wow is in "decline" and there will be peaks and troffs around content patches and expansions but I think more people are leaving than coming back or starting new.

    If you look around at the MMO market which sub game is managing to hold on to any subs let alone the amount WoW has?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danawhitaker View Post
    For the entire last 2 months left on my subscription, I barely logged in. I'm glad that some people are still enjoying the game I guess, but for me the pinnacle of access to content and fun factor was near the middle/end of Wrath. I will not be coming back unless substantial changes are made, some of them are non-negotiable. My guild went from raiding weekly during Cata and Wrath to not raiding at all once MoP hit, even after people hit 90 and started gearing (with the exception of a few people running LFR).
    I am interested in why you stopped raiding.

    Do you think the 4.0 raids where more accessible than the 5.0 raids?

    I thought they where actually pretty similar.

    The heroics where 100% more accessible in 5.0 compared to 4.0, and ofc we had LFR in 5.0 which we did not in 4.0.
    Last edited by Quilzar; 2013-01-19 at 09:18 AM.

  10. #70
    My opinion is all over the place. I'm pretty sure it won't be a DS drop but I'm pretty sure it won't be a 250k+ jump. I'm going to guess a 300k loss but wouldn't be shocked if it went up 100k or loses 500k or anything in-between. The game is just so boring now and uninteresting. I could go into detail and make a long-winded speech about all the issues of WoW and what Blizz could do about them but I know they won't listen and I don't really care anymore. I quit 10 days ago (feels like I blinked, can't believe it's been that long already) and the main reasons I quit are, in no particular order, dailies, VP grind, people's shitty internet, complete disregard for Alts and the game REALLY showing its age this expansion. This was to me, by far and away the worst initial part of an expansion ever and I'm glad it's over. That shit was brutal and I went in with really low expectations because I got to try beta. From my point of view the servers, at least in the US, seem to be dying and dying fast as hell. Honestly wouldn't be shocked if it was as high as a 750k drop. I'd be a little surprised but it would simply show that my personal view of the game wasn't a solo-view. It really felt, from my small PoV, that a lot of people quit during DS, saw MoP and pretty much pegged it as a kid-friendly boring grind-fest that wasn't deserving of their money and thus they didn't come back. We'll see though, we'll see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    Don't turn this into an MMO vs MMO thing. I'm talking about profits and stock holders. They can care less about how well they're doing against their competition... they care if they themselves get a loss.
    But investors also don't really care about one MMO, they care about the company
    If WoW is losing subs and their shares are gaining worth, than they are happy.

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    id say not a substantial gain or loss, maybe 250-500k in either direction. id say theyll still be around the 10 million mark

  13. #73
    How could we possibly know how many subs they have?

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    How could we possibly know how many subs they have?
    Just guessing till the official numbers are revealed on February 7. Than we can see who's prediction was right

  15. #75
    Going to go with a decline in active accounts to around 9.5M. However, financial performance will be good.
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  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    Just guessing till the official numbers are revealed on February 7. Than we can see who's prediction was right
    On what basis do you guess? Random numbers?

  17. #77
    There are plenty of people who have resubscribed because MoP is actually good. I'm one of them, I know a dozen others who are now playing who quit during Cataclysm.

  18. #78
    -drop in subscribers to around 9 -9.5 milj
    -blizzcon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhamer View Post
    And 50% of the closest rival and more than double of the rest of the competition.

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    Pretty much the only thing stockholders really care about.
    Same as the haters they only care about a loss in subs and will continue to hide under bring or in the shadows until it comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brash View Post
    It's a little ridiculous that people think the RMAH was created with the sole purpose to earn Activision/Blizzard money. Sure they got maybe a few hundred thousand at the peak but that is hardly a dent in what they make with their flagships.

    Also everyone here must have a lode of money invested in Activision/Blizzard stock.
    *Raises Hand, My Grandfather & his company are invested in Activ/Blizz, They had alot of investments in other companies involved in gaming. but they pulled out and only rolling with 3 companies now use to be 5.

    Quote Originally Posted by phillipisawarlock View Post
    Yet there are no forced dailies that you speak of.
    Phillip is right, there are no forced dailies, People just use anything to complain about.
    Last edited by Arbs; 2013-01-19 at 03:56 PM.

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    Looking at this thread I can confirm one thing. Be it a drop, rise, or nothing in subscribers, these forums will be flooded with people claiming WoW is dead, WoW is fine, that Y change ruined the game, and that X needs to be fired
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