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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Actually, out of curiosity..

    Why do people care so much about the subscriber numbers?
    In my case, I am hoping there was a big drop. Usually when a company loses a big chunk of customers, they start adjusting their policies and maybe start looking into the reasons why people left their game, in hopes of finding some way to bring them back. Which I am hoping will bring some sense to them and actually get them to at least add an opt out option for CRZ.

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    Up to 11 million

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    I could see wow loosing subs . As a player , I am just not that motivated as I was with previous expansions to level alts anymore. Not to mention hardly seeing any friends online at times makes playing kinda boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    Stop trying to revise history to push your propaganda. Blizzard has always announced subscriptions numbers and sales figures whenever they release an expansion regardless of when the next shareholders meeting was.
    Don't mind Mvallas. He is basically like a second Concisous, They both do nothing but predit Subscription drops, How WoW is failing. And how "People have woken up" and stopped playing WoW
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    I hope it stays above 10 million to quench any real strength in the whiners inevitable rants about how pandas and CRZ are scaring people away.

    Which I am hoping will bring some sense to them and actually get them to at least add an opt out option for CRZ.
    They're not going to let people opt out of CRZ because it makes no sense.
    Although the thought of watching a friendly player dying to an enemy I cannot see sounds funny.
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    I thought gamers are playing games for their fun value (which varies from person to person)? Are we gonna judge a game based on what the reports are?

    these stuff make me lose hope in the gaming community =/
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    Whatever it is, I'm sure it will influence WoW's direction in the next months...

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    Expecting to see a marked drop in western subs glossed over with a marginal rise in eastern subs. Seems about par right now.

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    Even if they drop below 10 million subscriptions im pretty sure they would still be way ahead of other mmo's subs.

    And all the people dropping subscriptions are not really helping if they are protesting things they don't like. All you end up doing is taking money that could be used on the development of the game away

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomination View Post
    And all the people dropping subscriptions are not really helping if they are protesting things they don't like. All you end up doing is taking money that could be used on the development of the game away
    Wow, are you even serious with this? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Actually, out of curiosity..

    Why do people care so much about the subscriber numbers?
    Curiosity, nothing more, nothing less. People will tell you that it's because the haters wanna see WoW burn, and I suppose there are those too. Hell, when I quit I had this "How can anyone like that shitty game, c'mon." phase too.

    Still, personally I would like to see Wow drop a bit in numbers. Not that it bothers me, but I feel that this sort of situation isn't too healthy for the MMO market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    Not everyone that plays wow expects Blizzard to fully reinvent the game each and every expansion. Want a different game? Go buy one.
    the problem is, they havent invented anything worth note since wrath.

    bc was somewhat new and innovative

    wrath had some inventive aspects

    cata-garbage
    mop-more garbage

    take a look at the population on private servers, there's tons of bc and wrath private servers completely packed with people. the cata private servers are a ghostland, and the mop ones will be the same.

    bc was the golden age, and wrath was the peak>fall>decline.

    all the rest is B-team material, at best... yet millions still fall for it... quite perplexing; i blame guilt/denial...

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    ive actually been seeing some friends and old guildies coming back some from what i observed maybe gone up
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    Quote Originally Posted by b0sanac View Post
    Only like 1 million or so signed up for the AP, doesn't really make a big impact.
    Given that the AP is 1 million out of the 4 to 5 million non-China subs, in terms of dollars 20% of the high revenue portion of the playerbase leaving would make a big impact where it matters most, on revenues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shewkoi View Post
    mop-more garbage

    take a look at the population on private servers, there's tons of bc and wrath private servers completely packed with people. the cata private servers are a ghostland, and the mop ones will be the same.

    bc was the golden age, and wrath was the peak>fall>decline.

    all the rest is B-team material, at best... yet millions still fall for it... quite perplexing; i blame guilt/denial...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alewen View Post
    In my case, I am hoping there was a big drop. Usually when a company loses a big chunk of customers, they start adjusting their policies and maybe start looking into the reasons why people left their game, in hopes of finding some way to bring them back. Which I am hoping will bring some sense to them and actually get them to at least add an opt out option for CRZ.
    I love Blizz but one can guess that's what they did with Mists, and they're still doing a fantastic job.

    But I understand your statement so don't think I'm assuming you're hating on the game. No worries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkkitehti View Post
    Curiosity, nothing more, nothing less. People will tell you that it's because the haters wanna see WoW burn, and I suppose there are those too. Hell, when I quit I had this "How can anyone like that shitty game, c'mon." phase too.

    Still, personally I would like to see Wow drop a bit in numbers. Not that it bothers me, but I feel that this sort of situation isn't too healthy for the MMO market.
    Completely understandable. I was just curious. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by walkingtall View Post
    Of course they know. I'm sure they don't know each and every account but I would guarantee you they have very good ballpark data. They'd be massively incompetent if they didn't.
    I think you and/or dokhidamo should provide the evidence for your claim. Otherwise, I'm inclined to believe that you and they are both full of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    Another reason I believe the subs are down in Q4: If they were up, they would've already announced it like they did a week after Q3 ended with Pandaria's release.
    Why would they offer the numbers before the call? Seriously? the expansion was a special circumstance, any other subscription numbers have been released at the conference call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    Or conversely the other side of the player base has moved on. :P

    As I said to my friends - a sign of something being unpopular is not when tons of people complain about it... it's when people STOP complaining and move on, leaving behind a handful of supporters.

    I mean this is, what, 5 pages long in 2 days? Usually these threads by now are 30 pages long with mods threatening people to behave. :P

    Sorry... not that I wanted to rain on your parade. Stay positive, but just don't get your expectations overreaching because a handful of MMOC supporters believe they'll be up. :P
    MMOC isn't the entire Warcraft world... I played for more than 5 years before I even made an MMOC account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Actually, out of curiosity..

    Why do people care so much about the subscriber numbers?
    Because the hate filled individuals have to have something to use to fuel their projection bias, without something to hang their hate on their hate soon loses steam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    Because the hate filled individuals have to have something to use to fuel their projection bias, without something to hang their hate on their hate soon loses steam.
    So it's all about hate, eh? Then what about the people who project that the numbers go up, why do you think they are interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomination View Post
    Even if they drop below 10 million subscriptions im pretty sure they would still be way ahead of other mmo's subs.

    And all the people dropping subscriptions are not really helping if they are protesting things they don't like. All you end up doing is taking money that could be used on the development of the game away
    So... if people give months of feedback on a feature that breaks things that are important (In the case of CRZ, it broke the 2 seater mounts, ability to ignore and report harassment, and in many cases, was causing headaches because the transition would cause a flash sometimes) and being told by their lead developer that all we want is a single player game, and we should continue giving money to them?

    I like WoW, I really do. But certain things in this expansion were done wrong, and it felt like feedback was being chucked through 1 ear and falling out the other. So if feedback wont be heard, we ended up with only 1 option. Unsubscribing. Believe me, if Blizz addressed the CRZ issue, I could deal with the dailies I think. Lord knows I'd love to rejoin my guildies on WoW. But until there is a way for me to level my alts outside of dungeons, without harassment, and be able to use my 2 seater mounts which I invested heavily into obtaining, there's just no way I could give them money that I feel is being wasted.

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