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  1. #1381
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eschaton View Post
    They're credible enough to score an interview with Rob Pardo. That means something. Quotes from interviews with people like Pardo, Morhaime and Street are exactly that and not subject to a lot of parsing based on site credibility.
    And faking an interview with someone so prominent is usually journalistic suicide. Remember that guy faking a BioWare interview a couple of months ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roggles View Post
    Not really no. Just sit back and let them have their psychotic arguments, it's fun to watch.

    It's kind of funny and sad at the same time. All this hate and fighting over numbers they can't do anything about. Numbers that even though some say otherwise have no effect on them. They are just fighting to fight......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    Has anyone accomplished anything in this thread?
    Weirdly enough I have. My post up the thread a bit about viewing subscription numbers in an analog of a stock trading range is a new idea for me and something that I want to give some thought to. And perhaps someone else will see it that had never had that idea before and will think about it as well. I'm not saying that I'm the very first to ever have the idea; I'm sure I'm not. But it's a different perspective than what a lot of the thread has been about and challenging people to drop their agendas and consider the information we have in a different way is something I like.

    For the rest, I don't know. But it's something to talk about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    It's kind of funny and sad at the same time. All this hate and fighting over numbers they can't do anything about. Numbers that even though some say otherwise have no effect on them. They are just fighting to fight......
    I will gently remind you that this is a bit off-topic. Please either continue to read, or better, contribute to what is on-topic. Thanks.
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    Why are we discussing how many people they lost compared to date 'X'?
    I am really wondering what purpose that serves..

    Point is that investors are happy with what they presented, that's why their stocks went up.
    If people who do this for a living thought that losing 400k subs was a disaster for the company, then we would see that in the numbers.

    And I would like to mention again that something as simple as "remove the daily-system!" is no guarantee that those 400k people would have stayed.
    You don't know why they left, I don't know why they left and the people at Blizzard probably don't even know why all of them left.
    The developers have a tough job of creating patches and a direction and they just have to guess whether people like it or not.

    I agree that those dailies were a pain in the ass, mostly because all valor-gear was behind them and it were so many factions at once.
    It would have been a much better implementation if half of the factions gave alternative ways to get rep, that way they could add a few factions with dailies every patch instead of:
    5.0 - a dozen of factions
    5.1 - one faction
    5.2 - one faction
    But they learned from this and will change the system in 5.2, so we can all be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    Do we really have to repeat all this every three months? Has anyone accomplished anything in this thread?
    Well, yes.
    This one time I kept using facts and some trolls couldn't handle facts so they started to insult me and got themselves banned.
    We didn't have their daily "WOW SUX"-thread for over a week.

    To be honest, I am really glad that people are keeping it civil when discussing the game. It's a big surprise to me.

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    The majority of the decline in subscriber numbers came from China, and the number in the west are more stable.Thats the funny part right there the haters are celebrateing something thats keyword STABLE in the west which is the only thing i even remotely care about.Because get this i play on the us/eu servers so looks like blizzard has a big success with Mists of pandaria!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikencarly View Post
    The majority of the decline in subscriber numbers came from China, and the number in the west are more stable.Thats the funny part right there the haters are celebrateing something thats keyword STABLE in the west which is the only thing i even remotely care about.Because get this i play on the us/eu servers so looks like blizzard has a big success with Mists of pandaria!
    The fanboys are celebrating subs lost in the east? Well hate to break it to you but that bullshit 9.6 million players are mostly from the east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    The fanboys are celebrating subs lost in the east? Well hate to break it to you but that bullshit 9.6 million players are mostly from the east.
    The majority of the subs in cata lost were from china as well. Its possible wow saw some gains in the west. It wouldn't surprise me to see wow have 5m subs in the west and only 4.6m in the east. Last time we even saw east numbers was 2009 or something. The funny thing is, the haters say MoP is an expansion catering to China, and the losses are from China. The fact that anyone thinks blizzard would develop an expansion for 10% of their player base to alienate the rest is a moron anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    The majority of the subs in cata lost were from china as well. Its possible wow saw some gains in the west. It wouldn't surprise me to see wow have 5m subs in the west and only 4.6m in the east. Last time we even saw east numbers was 2009 or something. The funny thing is, the haters say MoP is an expansion catering to China, and the losses are from China. The fact that anyone thinks blizzard would develop an expansion for 10% of their player base to alienate the rest is a moron anyways.
    The people that say MoP is an expansion catering to China are the same people who think Taco bell is catering to mexico

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    It's be like Korea making a Wild West MMO to cater to us darn tootin' Amurrikans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    The fanboys are celebrating subs lost in the east? Well hate to break it to you but that bullshit 9.6 million players are mostly from the east.
    Whats funny is even in the FRONT PAGE it says The majority of the decline in subscriber numbers came from China, and the number in the west are more stable.I love how you call bullshit on FACTS your so blind sided with hate you didn't even read the front page of a wow fan site LMFAO!Ok back on my point my lfd and lfr ques have gotten shorter a crap ton shorter from 10 mins to 5mins so this effects me ZERO nothing at all have fun rageing for years about wow sub numbers while i enjoy wow for years to come peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikencarly View Post
    Whats funny is even in the FRONT PAGE it says The majority of the decline in subscriber numbers came from China, and the number in the west are more stable.I love how you call bullshit on FACTS your so blind sided with hate you didn't even read the front page of a wow fan site LMFAO!Ok back on my point my lfd and lfr ques have gotten shorter a crap ton shorter from 10 mins to 5mins so this effects me ZERO nothing at all have fun rageing for years about wow sub numbers while i enjoy wow for years to come peace.
    reading comprehension is a good thing. I know that most of the sub lost was from china they said it in the meeting. I was saying the 9.6 million players bullshit are mostly from the east. Try developing some reading comprehension than you would understand what I said.

    Better yet I will help you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    The fanboys are celebrating subs lost in the east? Well hate to break it to you but that bullshit 9.6 million players are mostly from the east.
    Where did I says the subs were not lost from the east? where did I claim they were from the west? Where did I say what was on the front page was wrong? If your going to go in to whiteknight mode please read and understand what I posted first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roggles View Post
    It's be like Korea making a Wild West MMO to cater to us darn tootin' Amurrikans.

    Pretty much that would be kinda fun tho
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    Newsflash Ladies!

    Companies will lie, cheat and hide the truth to make themselves look positive in front of their stockholders.

    So unless we actually get to see the unedited sub statistics for each region then the whole "were mostly from China" part is bs. The Asian region is the easiest scapegoat because it's much harder to check there due to the subscription construction.

    Now carry on with your blissful and ignorant lives

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTclassed View Post
    Newsflash Ladies!

    Companies will lie, cheat and hide the truth to make themselves look positive in front of their stockholders.

    So unless we actually get to see the unedited sub statistics for each region then the whole "were mostly from China" part is bs. The Asian region is the easiest scapegoat because it's much harder to check there due to the subscription construction.

    Now carry on with your blissful and ignorant lives

    You know what happened to Enron right?

    Blizzard would not lie on their financial statement because if caught people would be going to prison
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    Yeah, Morhaime would risk long term incarceration just to say the losses were mostly in China... hmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alastaircrawly View Post
    you know what happened to enron right?

    Blizzard would not lie on their financial statement because if caught people would be going to prison
    release the long form birth certificate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    The people that say MoP is an expansion catering to China are the same people who think Taco bell is catering to mexico
    LOL. Im tempted to sig that. Its true though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    The majority of the subs in cata lost were from china as well.
    Evidence? There was ONE QUARTER where they said the majority of the net loss was in the east, but AFAIK they never said that about the expansion as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roggles View Post
    Yeah, Morhaime would risk long term incarceration just to say the losses were mostly in China... hmm.
    And remember, saying someone is committing a felony is libel if they aren't. So be careful -- such idle insinuations could end you up at the losing end of a big civil lawsuit.
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    Aren't the subscription still above 9M? Also, isn't 9M paid subs (regardless of continent and total value) more than all of the other paid and free to play MMO-RPGs combined?

    I'm no money expert, but even if they are seeing a decline and showing a loss from Quarter to Quarter, aren't they still the #1 MMO-RPG in the world for the 8th straight year? Just my opinion.

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    I was wondering why people like to participate in that kind od threads and I just figured it out I think. They want to feel special and right they made good predictions, well newsflsh for you haters, even players who love WoW and play it for years know the sub decline is inevitable, only thing Blizzard can do is slow down the process.

    But to shut you up I'm gonna admit - yes you are right, yes WoW is dying, so please leave us in this sinking ship, without even 5 people to do random dungeon, and you enjoy your happy life and all the other perfect mmos out there.
    You are free to go and never come back, let us rot and die alongside WoW.

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    The whole "discussion" is based on flaws.
    If you listened, you'd think that the ONLY way for WoW to show it's doing good, or as good as it once did (back when there were many, MANY more times new potential players) is to steadily increase its sub count by 250-500k every quarter, otherwise it's not as good as BC or LK! hurrdurr.

    Luckily, Blizzard, investors and sensible people know that no matter what, a products growth will stagnate and drop off.
    Sadly this is now commonly used as a way of complaining.

    "I don't like X and 500k players quit, therefore it's obvious that the loss is due to X."
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