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  1. #1401
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    The whole "discussion" is based on flaws.
    If you listened, you'd think that the ONLY way for WoW to show it's doing good, or as good as it once did (back when there were many, MANY more times new potential players) is to steadily increase its sub count by 250-500k every quarter, otherwise it's not as good as BC or LK! hurrdurr.

    Luckily, Blizzard, investors and sensible people know that no matter what, a products growth will stagnate and drop off.
    Sadly this is now commonly used as a way of complaining.

    "I don't like X and 500k players quit, therefore it's obvious that the loss is due to X."
    The body of potential players is massive. 3 to 5 times as many people have played WoW than are currently playing. Then there's the people who have never played that could potential pick up the game.

    At the end of 2009 when WoW had 11.5M, Pardo said "I don't know what the exact number is off-hand, but the total number of subscribers we've had is easily more than double - maybe closer to triple - the current subscriber base."

    That's about 23-34.5M, 3 years ago. Rough extrapolation would mean close to 50M have played WoW at some point.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    No, it's neither harassment NOR ninja'ing to roll on any item the system allows one to.

    Nor is it against any rules to votekick a member from the group - one person can't do it, apparently someone agreed with the rogue.

  2. #1402
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    The whole "discussion" is based on flaws.
    If you listened, you'd think that the ONLY way for WoW to show it's doing good, or as good as it once did (back when there were many, MANY more times new potential players) is to steadily increase its sub count by 250-500k every quarter, otherwise it's not as good as BC or LK! hurrdurr.

    Luckily, Blizzard, investors and sensible people know that no matter what, a products growth will stagnate and drop off.
    Sadly this is now commonly used as a way of complaining.

    "I don't like X and 500k players quit, therefore it's obvious that the loss is due to X."
    You are right that investors realise that products can stop growing and this is when they take their investment elsewhere. Why would someone invest in a product or company that is stagnating or is in decline? At best the company/product is going to hold its value and your investment remains the same why would you invest in this over something that is growing and is therefore going to increase the value of your investment?

  3. #1403
    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    I was wondering why people like to participate in that kind od threads and I just figured it out I think. They want to feel special and right they made good predictions, well newsflsh for you haters, even players who love WoW and play it for years know the sub decline is inevitable, only thing Blizzard can do is slow down the process.

    But to shut you up I'm gonna admit - yes you are right, yes WoW is dying, so please leave us in this sinking ship, without even 5 people to do random dungeon, and you enjoy your happy life and all the other perfect mmos out there.
    You are free to go and never come back, let us rot and die alongside WoW.
    Haha....that was pretty funny actually.

  4. #1404
    Quote Originally Posted by Alastaircrawly View Post
    I know that most of the sub lost was from china they said it in the meeting. I was saying the 9.6 million players bullshit are mostly from the east. Try developing some reading comprehension than you would understand what I said.
    Since this topic comes up a lot with a lot of dispute, and you seem pretty confident... would you break down for us the current sub count by region?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrerBear View Post
    Since this topic comes up a lot with a lot of dispute, and you seem pretty confident... would you break down for us the current sub count by region?
    *with relevant sources. ^^

  6. #1406
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    The body of potential players is massive. 3 to 5 times as many people have played WoW than are currently playing. Then there's the people who have never played that could potential pick up the game.
    I think the point Master Hamster was trying to make is that the potential audience of WoW players is nearly saturated.
    There's only so many people in the world open to playing a fantasy computer game requiring an Internet connection and a monthly sub fee.

    During Vanilla, TBC, and Wrath, that pool of people was discovering the game and signing up in droves. Even though many were also quitting WoW during those first few years, they were outnumbered by the influx of people looking to try out this new phenomenon called Warcraft.

    Kind of like looking for oil. Most of the WoW audience has now been tapped. It's getting harder and harder for Blizzard to find people who might enjoy WoW who haven't played it already. This also explains why new patches and expansions cause such an influx... former players return for a bit, then slowly drop off. But new blood is not replacing them. Blizzard and investors know this... it's not exactly cause for alarm. Everyone leaves the game eventually, many just never return because they are tired of it.

    It's also why the comments about how much better WoW was in TBC and Wrath because it was gaining subs are moronic. The market was untapped.
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  7. #1407
    Quote Originally Posted by BrerBear View Post
    I think the point Master Hamster was trying to make is that the potential audience of WoW players is nearly saturated.
    There's only so many people in the world open to playing a fantasy computer game requiring an Internet connection and a monthly sub fee.

    During Vanilla, TBC, and Wrath, that pool of people was discovering the game and signing up in droves. Even though many were also quitting WoW during those first few years, they were outnumbered by the influx of people looking to try out this new phenomenon called Warcraft.

    Kind of like looking for oil. Most of the WoW audience has now been tapped. It's getting harder and harder for Blizzard to find people who might enjoy WoW who haven't played it already. This also explains why new patches and expansions cause such an influx... former players return for a bit, then slowly drop off. But new blood is not replacing them. Blizzard and investors know this... it's not exactly cause for alarm. Everyone leaves the game eventually, many just never return because they are tired of it.

    It's also why the comments about how much better WoW was in TBC and Wrath because it was gaining subs are moronic. The market was untapped.
    I understand that the pool of potential players who have never played WoW has diminished significantly. When asked about how D3, Titan, and other games draw people away from WoW, Pardo doesn't seem worried because WoW only has a fraction of the market.

    Pardo's conclusion is this: "So looking at it logically, if we can get them interested, you could have the same subscriber base without cannibalizing WoW too badly."
    Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2013-02-11 at 11:10 PM. Reason: Crap, I deleted half of what I wanted to say and then forgot what it was.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    No, it's neither harassment NOR ninja'ing to roll on any item the system allows one to.

    Nor is it against any rules to votekick a member from the group - one person can't do it, apparently someone agreed with the rogue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Evidence? There was ONE QUARTER where they said the majority of the net loss was in the east, but AFAIK they never said that about the expansion as a whole.

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    I was thinking it was the last 2 quarters of cataclsym they said that wasnt it? Thats where the worst of the sub losses came from.

  9. #1409
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    I was thinking it was the last 2 quarters of cataclsym they said that wasnt it? Thats where the worst of the sub losses came from.
    No, it was only Q3 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    No, it was only Q3 2011.

    K well anyways the majority of losses this time were in China which is fine with me. Id rather they not even count china as subs honestly.

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