Do people honestly think Sylvanas was offended by being called a bitch? I'm sure she knows she is, and that's exactly what she was trying to be during that conversation. Personally I think if Garrosh got over his anti everything that's not an orc bias, they'd probably get along quite well. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to see her aid him in some way, or at least play the fence. My prediction is that she won't align herself fully to anyone, until perhaps Thrall enters the picture. She seems to actually have some respect for him, so she'd probably choose him over Garrosh.
I think this is what Sylvanas' story is leading up to anyway, along with her making a power grab somewhere down the line. Her downfall will be interesting to say the least.Yeah because resurrecting the entirety of the dead is going to be fine with Azeroth right? Lol please just think about it, I can already see it, she does that and the Ebon Blade and Argent Dawn will be on her ass like she was the new Lich King.
when does sylv have respect for thrall? she seems to care about no 1 but her self
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Thrall was the one who invited them to the horde, not Garrosh. IF they are loyal to any faction of orcs, it would be the ones following Thrall. But as i said, they are most likely loyal to their pocketbook, and I haven't seen anywhere in the lore that they've gotten paid. if they have, please do correct me.I want to remind you that the Goblins are STRONGLY Orc sided, they really have NO other place in the whole Horde, they fit NO where. Regardless if they get paid or not, their home is in Orgrimmar and Azhara, and their only friends in the Horde (and supporters) are the Orcs.
You don't see the more noble, sensible faction leaders repaying a debt? Or at the very least, you'd see them work for free- be slaves- to garrosh? All goblins throughout Warcraft have been more of privateers than anything else. this one goblin cartel joined with the horde because the alliance sunk their escape ship. If they were forced to choose sides, it is more likely that they they'd simply decline and go back to being neutral, where the real money is, as opposed to sticking with garrosh.Regardless if they get paid or not, I really don't see the Elves, Trolls or Tauren paying them.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Where is that Ogre headed buffoon?
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Ah, speak of the devil ...
[Portals from Orgrimmar arrive with Hellscream, Hellscream's elite, and High Warlord Cromush.
Hellscream jumps from the portal down to Sylvanas.]
Garrosh Hellscream says: This better be important, Sylvanas. You know how I detest this place and its foul stench. Why have you called for me?
Garrosh Hellscream says: And more importantly, what are those Scourge fiends doing here?
[Garrosh makes a gesture at the Val'kyr.]
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Warchief, so glad you could make it.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: With the death of the Lich King, many of the more intelligent Scourge became...unemployed. Those 'fiends,' as you so delicately put it, are called val'kyr. They are under my command now...
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: ...and they are part of the reason that I asked to see you.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Get on with it Sylvanas.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Very well, Warchief. I have solved the plight of the Forsaken!
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: As a race, we Forsaken are unable to procreate.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: With the aid of the val'kyr, we are now able to take the corpses of the fallen and create new Forsaken.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Agatha, show the Warchief!
[The Val'kyr Agatha proceeds to resurrect fallen corpses as Forsaken.]
High Warlord Cromush says: ABERRATION!
Garrosh Hellscream says: What you have done here, Sylvanas... it goes against the laws of nature. Disgusting is the only word I have to describe it.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Warchief, without these new Forsaken my people would die out ... Our hold upon Gilneas and northern Lordaeron would crumble.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Have you given any thought to what this means, Sylvanas.
Garrosh Hellscream says: What difference is there between you and the Lich King now?
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Isn't it obvious, Warchief? I serve the Horde.
[Sylvanas mockingly salutes Garrosh.]
Garrosh Hellscream says: Watch your clever mouth, bitch.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Cromush, you stay behind and make sure the Banshee Queen is well "guarded." I will be expecting a full report when next we meet.
High Warlord Cromush says: As you command, Warchief!
Garrosh Hellscream says: Remember, Sylvanas, eventually we all have to stand before our maker and face judgment. Your day may come sooner than others...
Honestly I think she was pissed at Garrosh's response, I think she genuinely believed that he would understand her "plight"...whether or not she is pissed about him calling her a bitch, by not allowing her to procreate her people he is essentially stripping her of her power, which I doubt she will stand for.
Can't you get over Gilneas already.. It's 2013, goooosh...
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Can we stop calling her the 'Lich Queen' now?
She's not slaughtering and poisoning entire nations to resurrect them into mindless zombies to control the entire world.
And no, she won't join Garrosh.
She's one of the persons who hates him the most and who would benefit largely from having him dead.
I'm rather suprised that people are actually arguing that sylvanas will side with garrosh :/ Now I wont jump to the conclusion that she would leap at the opportunity to fight garrosh but its certainly in her best interests and while the other races may not be happy about having her with them shes not the issue removing garrosh is. also some people are really underestimating the rebels here after all essentially it is all of the other horde races and likely even many orcs (not the majority but likely elders and such who remember thrall's vision for the horde). Also even though they may still be outnumbered they will have backing from the alliance (remember its a raid ally will have to be there in some form) and no one is saying its going to be an easy fight THAT'S WHY ITS GOING TO BE A RAID! And if you need an actual lore reason for believing the alliance are involved remember that thrall's horde (the one voljin wants to bring back) never wanted war with the alliance because it wasnt worth it. With varian calming down this expac and voljin wanting to end the war it is likely they will set their differences aside once more to remove the tyrant that is causing all of this.
Garrosh made her continue to have Orcs watching them in Undercity (no more abominations for a while which made me very sad), called her a bitch, used her soldiers as meat shields, despises and fears the Forsaken, is very unstable mentally and emotionally, is in general a bad leader, and worst of all is a buzzkill Bob and won't let her use Plague (what the hell man!).
While Cairne and Vol'Jin might be more critical, they're also better leaders and would treat her and the Forsaken better.
The Forsaken have zero support in Garrosh's administration--the only help they're getting are from adventurers and Cromush (who was assigned more or less to kill Sylvanas as soon as she became more trouble than Garrosh felt her worth, note Garrosh's sarcastic use of the phrase 'Well-Guarded' when he gave orders for Cromush to accompany Sylvanas). Furthermore, Garrosh has continued the Kor'Kron occupation of the Undercity that Thrall began post-Wrathgate as a good-faith show to the Alliance, albeit for different reasons. Under Vol'jin and Baine, Sylvanas has the chance that they'll leave her alone to operate as usual, or at the very least she can count on them to deal with her fairly and listen to what she has to say (for better or worse).
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very much this. She probably doesn't care who is on whose side as long as she is on the side that wins or that gives the best outcome for her people.she would know once the rest of the horde is standing against him, better to be on the winning side.
True. As Archermit said Sylvannas is not an idiot. She will simply side with the side that helps her achieve her goals which we all know what they really are.
So the rebels are stuck, but here comes Varian into the picture, as he is pissed at Garrosh but he cannot just storm into Orgrimmar and kill him, so he should be open to the approach of a rebel Horde leader (my money is on Vol'jin) to join and aid the insurrection. If Garrosh dies, it's a win-win for both of them. And at this point Sylv will join the coup
Lastly, the fine print of the deal between Varian and the rebels can even state that the new warchief will end the war between the sides for good (and united happily we are ready for a new x-pac).
I'm still holding out for Sylvanas being the one who kills Garrosh