Blame the corporate management, not developers.

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I`ll just leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=HEvThjiE038

Some of of the things that did not make it to the launch:
Ladders to climb up and down on.
Boss Hero-Death animations.
These areas "Forgotten Tomb" does not exist and "Leorics Highland" changed much.
Cinematic cut-scenes in a middle of a dungeon.
UI system: Mana as a resource for all classes.
Hovering healthbar on each and every enemy only visable while hover mouse on them
The Talisman (icon between the weapon slots)
Inventory style changed into the "tetris" style.
"Super block" by skeletons with shield did not make all the way to the release and was weakend.
Number 5 "Scroll of townportal / identify" was scraped.
Random people you click on that will follow you (like those in this video, not chicken warriors Act 3 included).
Minor Energy Rune and Elixir of Vitalty do not appear in Diablo 3 at all (see around 04:22).
Inaccessable gaps wouldn't work at all since not all classes could pass them. Animation was pre-fixed. Just like the death-animation on the siege breaker.
Girls dancing before they explode just to be summoned into a mini-boss, which just became normal monster later on.
And many other things!

Yes I`m sure they dropped all the things they announced at blizzcon because they didnt feel like it was good...yeah right lets make this game simplified so that we can attract as many casuals as we can just like we did with WoW and badge gear yey marketing strategy...

[Ravenblade]

Innovation in Blizzard? Nope, the only innovative game was the first Diablo, which was Condors (Blizzard North) idea. All their games are based on already existing ideas. Blizzard was never know for innovation, they simply take a lot of existing ideas, put them into one package and then polish them.

Actually that's fairly debatable. The common opinion laced with hazy memories is that Blizzard are plain copycats. They may very well be when it comes to general ideas but in detail and on execution side they had a lot of things which were copied by competitors later on and often interpreted just as polish.
But to give them due credit you have to acknowledge their creative and innovative side when it comes to systemic and technical implementation.
WoW's UI and character handling/look&feel is even rarely matched by modern MMOs and most of it has been that way since its original launch.
Starcraft's ergonomic handling of UI and units as well as slick responses made it a reference and paired with unique faction design principles they made way to the idea of allowing actual different playstyles to flourish in a RTS which in return was one of the reasons it became popular as E-sports.
Diablo's itemization and character handling is still reference model for many bird-view-based ARPGs out there - yes, Diablo is not a canon Blizzard product as they just acquired and renamed the company behind but still they wouldn't have got into that position if there was no compatibility in views.
Let's not forget the Warcraft franchise whose constant support of high levels of customization throughout the series even gave birth to an entirely new game genre: MOBAs. The innovation there lies in introduced concepts which hadn't been there before and I didn't and certainly could not name them all.
Yes, that was once a key strength of them actually and I am aware of that eventually there will be diminishing returns. Still as time went by - a decade actually - they may have found themselves outpaced and as such it was more and more easier for them to copy and incorporate rather than literally re-invent the wheel just in a more circular form than before. Also they seem to have become too afraid of experimenting in fear of alienating the lower denominators within their playerbase.

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Innovation in Blizzard? Nope, the only innovative game was the first Diablo, which was Condors (Blizzard North) idea. All their games are based on already existing ideas. Blizzard was never know for innovation, they simply take a lot of existing ideas, put them into one package and then polish them.

I have to admit I'm not very informed on just how much imput Bliz had in D1 design, from what Brevik says not much.
Although I still have the D1 artbook and recall this image.


Made by the one and only.

[Noctifer616]

I have to admit I'm not very informed on just how much imput Bliz had in D1 design, from what Brevik says not much.
Although I still have the D1 artbook and recall this image.


Made by the one and only.

From what I remember in a interview with some ex Blizzard North guy, what happened was that Condor wanted to make D1 a turn based Claymation. However, Blizzard insisted that they make it real time, there was a lot of arguing, the Blizzard North guy then caved in and over night changed the code to make the game realm time, and was shocked how good it was.

I think the interview is with some guys that worked on Torchlight 2 if I am not mistaken.

[Deleted]

From what I know artwork comes before any actual 3d/2d modelling so guess both metzen and didier had some creative input even at an early stage in game dev.

[Howard Moon]

Desperately looking for an excuse to post this:

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Desperately looking for an excuse to post this:

I srsly lold on this one...too bad its actually true

[Deleted]

True. Corporate management has a huge part in this.

[Noomz]

What does that post have to do with the RMAH? Do you know how many people use it? Is anyone forced to use it? If it is all about the money, then making a bad game that SCREWS the community actually HURTS money making. By your logic, if it is all about money, then making GREAT games will bring in MORE money. I don't get your logic.

And in addition you imply Blizzard never was about making money before the merger?

Seriously?

Well not the RMAH, but the AH certainly. The gearing process lends itself heavily to the use of the AH. There's no denying that.

Good thing I have Torchlight 2. In D3 I could go several days to find even one upgrade. In Torchlight 2, there's always something to use.

It amuses me how Torchlight 2 is the vastly superior game.

[Noctifer616]

It amuses me how Torchlight 2 is the vastly superior game.

Yesterday I patched TL 2 and started playing again. After 15 minutes I stopped because the games controls and combat feel are just boring and frustrating.

The game has a better loot system, but that doesn't really matter when the developers don't understand the basics of making a game, and that is the connection between your game avatar and you.

It's sad, it could have been a lot better game if they just understood the basics.

[Deleted]

Yesterday I patched TL 2 and started playing again. After 15 minutes I stopped because the games controls and combat feel are just boring and frustrating.

The game has a better loot system, but that doesn't really matter when the developers don't understand the basics of making a game, and that is the connection between your game avatar and you.

It's sad, it could have been a lot better game if they just understood the basics.

It's better in the sense that you actually find useful stuff, not in the sense of affixes or randomized stats. Quite the opposition thier "lol we has 100 affixes" is so fucked up that it makes diablo's look...not that awful .

Their whole marketing motif was "lol it's cheaper than Diablo" literally that's it.

[chadwix]

This is not how corporations work, this is not how Blizzard or Activision works. Anything done on Diablo 3 is purely from the development team / Blizzard. Activision would have zero say in its development.

Yet when they show up for the annual meeting at vivendi headquarters and activision presents better numbers, do you know what happens next? Saying you have a higher quality game doesnt matter.

Look what happened to wow since the merger, its been downhill.

[Deleted]

True. Corporate management has a huge part in this.

Now it's even more obvious because Rob Pardo said he was executive producer on Diablo III. I'd say Pardo would never ever do things like RMAH from free will. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/top...42994?page=106

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The game has a better loot system, but that doesn't really matter when the developers don't understand the basics of making a game, and that is the connection between your game avatar and you.

This is very good point. It's actually weird how low intuition many people have in game industry. There is right way to do things or wrong way.

[chadwix]

A good example of corp pressure would be to make them release the game unfinished in the spring. D3 sells a ton of copys (company value goes up), blizzard goes up for sale by vivendi in the summer and upcoming xpansion pack for wow in the fall. They really baited that hook to be sold, didnt work out though.

[Zeek Daniels]

without the RMAH blizzard makes no money post launch while with it they do. I dont see anything wrong with the RMAH itself i just wish at launch it was easier to gear your character for harder difficulites without feeling like you had to use it.

[krunksmash]

Activision basically just get to have its name on official documents and that's about the extent of there influence over Blizzard.

[Grummgug]

I disagree with Ravenblade in post #20 regarding the secret of blizzards success.

He states it was a combination of innovation and polish that led to their success. Wrong and wrong. the TRUE secret was battle.net. THAT'S where the real value was.

The games were good. Dont get me wrong. But what put Blizzard over the top were the social / community tools battle.net provided. Starcraft and D2 were truly social games, with lots of in-game community building for the era they were released in.

World of Warcraft, while not on battle.net, provided a vastly improved social structure for people to talk and build ingame communities.

But then came battle.net 2.0.

2.0 rolled BACK in-game social features. Gone were chat channels. Gone was naming custom games. D3 in particular feels like some console game for the nintendo in the 1980s with essentially a dead online community.

Bnet was the secret. And they are MISSING it. They need a total revamp to infuse this game with a vibrant community feel again. Either that, or they can think their success was about polish and innovation and Blizzard will be shell of its former self.

[Buu]

Blame anyone and anything for the quality of the game OTHER than the people who actually MAKE the game.
Come on.
Activision isn't EA. They don't go in and micro manage every god damn decision. I'm not saying activision is perfect but you don't hear the same type of complaints we do with EA.

But it was Activision fault.Clearly a corporation intrusion, as it's well known that they rushed Diablo 3 development just like EA.... Oh wait...

Seriously, anyone that think there was corporate pressure in a game delayed for almost 5 years isn't right on their mind.

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Now it's even more obvious because Rob Pardo said he was executive producer on Diablo III. I'd say Pardo would never ever do things like RMAH from free will. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/top...42994?page=106

Why not? The RMAH isn't such bad idea.
The real problem was how the always online DRM forced the players to have a connection to it at EVERY game session, by depriving us of your cheated, alone, private game where we used programs to get gear for free, so we can feel tempted to get it by effort in a ladder system.
And how the developers used this always online DRM to guessed manipulations on the loot, so they could play overlords of the market, by maximizing profits.

[Plutarch78]

Diablo 3's problems are a result of a lack of vision on the part of the developers, not because of Activision. They don't have the time to micromanage every single iteration in a game; that's just stupid. Blizzard meets with Activision once or twice a year with their product for a demonstration; that's it. The RMAH was Rob Pardo's idea and he's been a part of Blizzard for years (before the merger). He's the Executive Producer for the company and the man who hand picked Jay Wilson. I'm no fan of Robert Kotick or Activision, but people give them too much credit when it comes to Blizzard's games.

[TheRabidDeer]

Can somebody explain to me what is wrong with the RMAH?

In D2 when people bought bugged/duped items from a 3rd party website, did that effect you?

Do you use the RMAH? No? Well then it has no effect on you. Yes? Well great, you benefited from something that Blizzard put in.