Can we kill this free market zombie nonsense? Will always be subject to a handful of people insist that the free market knows best and EMH is the answer? When will you people acknowledge the growth is not infinite and some measure of planning is necessary to ensure the survival of the species? Government just needs to get out of the way so the pharmaceuticals can exploit EVERYONE as equally as they've been exploiting the citizens of the United States.
What is actually keeping the price up are patents. However, without any kind of patents, the amount of innovation in pharmacy would be much lower because there would be much less profit incentives to use huge amounts on R&D only to have it copied. The optimal solution might lie in much weaker patents.
Central Planning in general doesn't work. The government is too incompetent to steer society. The modern economy moves too fast for the bureaucrats to keep up. The government is much better at creating law and order and providing the general rules of society.Originally Posted by Atrahasis
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As usual, the nanny state people had good intentions but there were unintended consequences. The free markets defeated the nanny state, as people just went shopping for the products they wanted across borders. The tax also unfairly targeted smaller producers, which is common of government regulation.
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What you're talking about is actually a move against the free market, to strengthen producers at the expense of customers. Nobody's forcing them to sell us the drugs. We're offering a price, and the pharmacorps agree to it. It's totally open and free, and I have no idea why you're against it, with the stance you've taken. Unless you can't stand to accept that, just maybe, government's done something right for us.
Ny sukkerafgift droppes
Regeringens og Enhedslistens plan om en ny afgift på en række sukkerholdige produkter er samtidig droppet.
Annulleringen af udvidelsen af sukkerafgiften betyder dog intet for den ”gamle” chokolade- og sukkervareafgift, som fortsætter som hidtil – endog med afgiftsforhøjelser fremadrettet. Den første afgiftsforhøjelse sker allerede den 1. januar 2013.
"New sugartax dropped
The government and Unity List's plan of a new sugar tax on several products containing sugar is dropped.
The annulment of the expansion of the sugar tax, however, means nothing for the "old" chocolate- and sugarproduct tax, which continues as usual - even with tax increases in the future. The first tax increase happens already the 1st of January 2013."
It's like the DVD's being sold in the discount bin for $1 wouldn't be there if there weren't people paying $15 for the DVD or $10 to see the movie in theatres. Europe is the $1 dollar bin.
If the companies tried to use the same prices on the other markets they would probably just plain refuse. And suddenly those companies would get a lot of competitors. So as long as they keep the price low in those countries they dont have to fear that competition while being able to stamp out any domestic one.
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Just so you're aware, what you're talking about is the kind of thing seen under communist regimes, not capitalist ones. You're arguing against fundamental principles of the free market.
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Prices, like anything, are based on what people can negotiate. Americans are not trying to negotiate for lower prices, not in a way that makes the pharmacrops take notice. It's not that the US is "the primary market", it's that the US customers are getting charged egregiously high prices and aren't negotiating to have them lowered.
They're sold at a reasonable profit in Canada, and significant markup in the US.
That only makes sense until you understand how marketing and pricing works.It's like the DVD's being sold in the discount bin for $1 wouldn't be there if there weren't people paying $15 for the DVD or $10 to see the movie in theatres. Europe is the $1 dollar bin.
There's a reason those particular products are in the $1 bin. Because they won't sell at full price. It's not comparable to the pharma prices, because Canadians are getting the newest drugs at the lower rates, too. We're not buying the "Ernest Goes to Camp" of drugs.
The actual difference is, Canada's buying at wholesale prices. Americans are paying the retail markup. It's like going in to buy a new car; Canada dickers with the car company to buy a fleet of cars, and gets a price that's about $300 over the cost-to-produce, since we're buying so many it still means hundreds of thousands in profits to the car company. Americans aren't buying in bulk, they're each going in and paying the +50% retail markup on the manufacturer suggested retail price of the vehicle, because they're not trying to negotiate anything, and the pharmacorps don't see any need to drop prices for a sale or two here or there.
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22 Pages and the amount of posts who actually contain SOME form of knowledge could fit on just one. No wonder the world seems to get dumber every day, it takes a whole week to disprove the bullshit that some can come up with in just 5 minutes.
And then it comes down to both sides acting confident in their own subjective measures of standard of living, and both sides attempt to discredit the other sides methodology and criteria, no-one listening to each other, and lies being spewed everywhere. You know, politics.