The entirety of the horde isn't evil. The trolls, Tauren, Hordie Pandaren, Blood elves, and a chunk of the orcs are all pretty cool guys.
It's the forsaken and horde forces under Garrosh that are the evil ones.
Of course, seeing as the horde forces under garrosh and the forsaken represent the actual military fronts of the horde... well, you get the picture.
Chris Metzen stated in the November 2003 issue of Blizzard Insider #15 that goblins were originally considered for the fourth Alliance race. But they were widespread as a neutral trading faction, so Gnomes became a better fit.
It was also an Interview with Cris Metzen where he stated originally they were going to do the Kingdom of Lordaeron as being still in the Alliance. And that the Night Elves sided with the Orcs. They Changed their minds early in the development.
it's terrible to see so many people can't distinguish an evil culture from one with a bad leader
However when you look at the Forsaken and the Orcs you can say OMG the leadership of those factions have gone off the Deep end.
No the Horde is evil, in fact they have gotten so bad that the trolls look good. I could list out why this is the case but it would take weeks, and would be listing 75% of all the horde quests.
And I would be in favor of killing Vol'jin. But that story has already been told. Vol'jin will be hiding in the shadows and shoot Garrosh through the heart with an arrow.
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Perfect example of why "community" forums are poisonous to the health of a development team. These developers are wasting hundreds of hours trying to stem the tide of incessant bitchery that would never, ever abate so long as these entitled, unfortunate human beings don't get their way.
I make no bones when i say i wish the horde WAS flat out evil
I love to roleplay as the baddie i dont like this shade of grey that horde seems to be always in
I hate this noble savage with a heart of gold BS
I wanna conquer and pillage
I don't think you can call the tauren evil (besides grimtotems, they're not my favorite friends). Hellscream is completely insane which makes the horde seem worse
'T Vlaamse heir staat immer pal, Daar 't winnen of daar 't sterven zal. Alhier, Aldaar aan lange lansen de leeuwen dansen, de leeuwen dansen.... En de leeuwen dansen, de leeuwen dansen.
And he had daddy issues back in TBC, so it's hardly a stab at his character. And what strengthened him was that he suddenly realised, that instead of having a father for a monster, he was suddenly the son of the chosen one - which was just moronic.
Amazing sig, done by mighty Lokann
The Gnomes polluted their city...a strange viewpoint...out of necessity and mostly accidentally.
Goblins pollute simply because they don't care and it is cheaper not to worry about it....and so end up spoiling and polluting huge tracts of land and poisoning all life as a result.
The Orcs polluted their city to the point where it is uninhabitable because they value military strength over having someplace to live, especially in the time frame of a war THEY started.
The Forsaken pollute their lands because it is the most expedient way to remove their enemies....again in conflicts THEY started.
Scale. Context. Intent. You overlook all these.
She asked Aethas, leader of the Sunreavers, to leave. He, as leader, refused. At which point the Dragon hawks were placed in an enchanted sleep so the Sunreavers could not escape to cause trouble and Jaina went around teleporting everyone else to the Violet Hold...killing some of those who fought back and attacked her. Most Sunreavers went peacefully.
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Only if you assume Alliance wrongs weren’t worse than Horde wrongs.Even accepting what you have said on face value, what you are saying is that....at its worst....the Alliance is just as bad as the Horde
Let’s see, then.but by ignoring little details such as intent, scale and context you end up glorifying the Horde.
You talk about scale, but here the Gnomes are responsible for pollution on a scale unseen by any other race. Good job!The Gnomes polluted their city...a strange viewpoint...out of necessity and mostly accidentally.
Hey, we Goblins happen to enjoy living in a more… industrial… environment! You say “pollution;” we say “progress!”Goblins pollute simply because they don't care and it is cheaper not to worry about it and so end up spoiling and polluting huge tracts of land and poisoning all life as a result.
Huh, I guess you haven’t been to Orgrimmar lately; it’s looking better than ever! We even have a river running through it, with indigenous cactuses and trees all around! Uninhabitable my hide…The Orcs polluted their city to the point where it is uninhabitable because they value military strength over having someplace to live,
You encroach on Horde land and burn our towns, but we started it. Huh, funny how that works out.especially in the time frame of a war THEY started.
Correction: The Forsaken use plague against their enemies. This is something quite different from pollution (there are no smoke stacks, oil rigs, etc.). And no, the Forsaken didn’t start the conflict. It started back in the third war with Grand Marshal Garithos trying to remove the original citizens of Lordaeron from their own lands because he didn’t approve of their current status as undead. Sylvanas clearly describes the problem: The Alliance does not recognize the Forsaken citizens’ rights to their own land! That land belongs to the citizens of Lordaeron, now and forever. It does not belong to the citizens of Stormwind, Ironforge, Darnassus, the Exodar, Gnomeregan, or even Gilneas (who hid behind their precious wall until it crumbled down). The Alliance are not only encroaching on Horde land in Alterac Valley nearby, but upon Lordaeron territory as well. Alliance are trying to spread like a plague; ironic that the Forsaken have concocted their own plague to use against the would-be trespassers. You don't like how plague tastes? Then go away.The Forsaken pollute their lands because it is the most expedient way to remove their enemies....again in conflicts THEY started.
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Everytime I see a topic like this I see people say this.
"This is World of Lovecraft, not World of Warcraft, npc should not be killing npc, they should be making love, why can't we make love. War should not have any killing. when we goto war in Iraq no one dies, they just go make love and shake hands. Hitler didn't die, we just went to Germany and huged him which made him feel better so everything is okay. War is another word for Love."
If you don't like death in a war game you are in the wrong game, I think Hello Kity Island adventure is the game for you.
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I support war, war makes for intresting story. But what I really hope they stay far away from is making one faction evil by nature, sure the forsaken are pretty damn close to it :P But even so, the races of azeroth struggling to find their place is far more compelling, and anyone with a family is going to have a hard time being "evil" The horde is a society, not a faction, not an army, its a people.
Organizations can be evil, kings and leaders can be evil, but a living breathing people with children, wives and husbands, farms and merchants, is not evil, and can never be, as these things morally and directly hinder evil as a concept.
Saurfang, one of the most influential horde figures of all time, IMHO, is what the true horde should be about, strenght, honor and pride.
Garrosh is all about strenght, and nothing else, I doubt he even knows what he is fighting for anymore, but has has gone so far off the deep end that he has to keep going.
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in MoP alot of the evil you are faced with, is the consequence of your own actions, the questioning of your own decisions. THAT is good storytelling.