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  1. #2221
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    Quote Originally Posted by Las Vegas View Post
    I freaked out when I killed it btw I don't know if 30 tries is alot for this, but it sure as hell is one of the toughest and most fun encounters I've done in my 8 years of Wow.
    Congratz

    And I wish more of these warlocks understood the joy of this encounter that you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    Congratz

    And I wish more of these warlocks understood the joy of this encounter that you do.
    Thank you very much. Well, I didn't exactly enjoy the 5% wipes :P But all in all the reward from completing the fight is such a huge feat, that it's definitely worth the amount of time you put in. I spotted some threads on the official forums with warlocks crying that the fight is too hard, nerfs are needed etc. Screw them tbh. The fight is perfectly fine. Theres just 0 room for error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cernunnos View Post
    I know this. Being on the quest chain for green fire, or even having finished it, phased the raid. I know where the crack in the wall is, but you can't enter it. You just go through the green portal entrance, but no load screen. The game will not let you enter the raid. I've tried to enter the raid both solo, and as part of a group or raid. My warlock cannot enter the 25 man raid now that they have started the quest chain.
    Thats wierd , i have no problems whatsoever with entering BT after completing green fire quest. I know it was bugged like that in 5.2 (completed quest 3 days after patch droped, took ages to get book^^) , but since 5.3 im soloing or boosting my friend thru BT almost every week without problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    Congratz

    And I wish more of these warlocks understood the joy of this encounter that you do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Las Vegas View Post
    Thank you very much. Well, I didn't exactly enjoy the 5% wipes :P But all in all the reward from completing the fight is such a huge feat, that it's definitely worth the amount of time you put in. I spotted some threads on the official forums with warlocks crying that the fight is too hard, nerfs are needed etc. Screw them tbh. The fight is perfectly fine. Theres just 0 room for error.
    ..and I wish the people that like this sort of thing would understand that not everyone does.

    Let's say there were a hypothetical quest chain to give your voidwalker a hat and at the end of that chain was a lengthy platforming sequence that required timed jumps and whatnot. People who like Mario or Tomb Raider games would probably think it's the best thing ever while people who don't would be upset.

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    That's not the point in this case. People are asking for nerfs because they are unable to complete the fight in its current state.

    I understand that some people don't like certain fights, that's perfectly fine. But asking for nerfs because of the simple fact that you're not able to beat certain mechanics is simply stupid tbh.
    Last edited by Las Vegas; 2013-08-27 at 06:28 PM.

  6. #2226
    Personally, I wouldn't want the encounter itself to be directly nerfed; while I certainly wish it had been designed differently (from a standpoint of making the encounter itself more enjoyable to me, pass or fail), it is what is it and it would be pointless to change it.

    What I wouldn't mind seeing in this case though is a determination buff (though not on the scale of LFR's.. more along the lines of +1% per attempt and requiring dropping Kanrethad below say 50%, or reaching a certain stage) that would be cleared upon leaving the instance or voluntarily by using an option on the anvil. Win-win, imo. Those that like this type of challenge aren't bothered and those to whom it is nothing but a bottomless font of unenjoyable frustration have a means of eventually getting it with enough effort. The only people that would have a problem with it are the ones who somehow feel their own accomplishment is diminished by others having fun and quite frankly, screw those guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Szarala View Post
    ..and I wish the people that like this sort of thing would understand that not everyone does.

    Let's say there were a hypothetical quest chain to give your voidwalker a hat and at the end of that chain was a lengthy platforming sequence that required timed jumps and whatnot. People who like Mario or Tomb Raider games would probably think it's the best thing ever while people who don't would be upset.
    Except in this case, you're playing an RPG you knew the score when you loaded world of warcraft up for the first time. And you damn sure knew the score when you started this encounter.

    The whole thing just asks you to pay attention and use a few more abilities than your used to. It's nothing as drastic as putting in a platformer in a stat/rotation based rpg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    The whole thing just asks you to pay attention and use a few more abilities than your used to. It's nothing as drastic as putting in a platformer in a stat/rotation based rpg.
    ..not the point I'm trying to make. The fight is very attention-intensive; the most so of any encounter in WoW I can think of off the top of my head (and certainly the most attention-intensive solo encounter) ..which is precisely the type of encounter I personally -hate-. Now I realize that I might be in a minority in this opinion (I certainly seem to be in a vocal minority about it) and I absolutely recognize that this is right up the alley of others. For those that dislike it, that it's such a lengthy and unforgiving encounter compounds and magnifies the frustration.

    Yes, there's probably a significant subset of those that complain about it that just want free/easy stuff. I won't deny that "casual entitlement" exists to a certain extent. I'm willing to bet, however, that a larger subset are those, like me, who just plain don't enjoy the encounter. Some will try to analyze/explain the specifics of why they do not, others aren't going to be much more elegant than "this isn't fun, nerf it".

    Sampling just the responses here though, it sorta proves my point. Dozens of posters are touting that there's no other pve challenge like it in the game. Well, doesn't that mean that it's apart from the norm?

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    Got it about a month ago. Quitted in february and got it the 2nd day i resubbed.
    I though posting about my experience throughout this quest chain, but i'll keep it simple...
    The only macro i used was "/tar pitlord /cast enslave demon".
    I can say the most important thing in the Kanry fight, was hiding the Pitlord behind the nearest pillar after the Cataclysm that leads to a felhunter phase.

    My main problem was the second felhunter phase. The first phase was cake, but the second wave of puppies were magical jerks who could dispell through walls. I said to myself "wtf blizz, i can't do shit if your crap is bugged".
    And at some point, i remembered Enslave Demon had a determined amount of time before it wears off.

    (...)

    After slapping myself about an hour or two, I made an aura in order to track Enlsave Duration and presto, went down in the 2nd attempt.

    So yeah, fight was really easy after all.

    Hopefully, this quest chain will be removed after Pandaria, or at least it should be scaled to the next xpac's cap level.
    rdy4h8
    Last edited by Garretdejiko; 2013-08-28 at 11:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garretdejiko View Post
    Hopefully, this quest chain will be removed after Pandaria, or at least it should be scaled to the next xpac's cap level.
    rdy4h8
    I agree somewhat with this. Doubt they will, since there will be a massive uproar if they decide to do so, but if they dont remove or scale it then they can just as well make green fire baseline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garretdejiko View Post
    Hopefully, this quest chain will be removed after Pandaria, or at least it should be scaled to the next xpac's cap level.
    rdy4h8
    Quote Originally Posted by Lysakers View Post
    I agree somewhat with this. Doubt they will, since there will be a massive uproar if they decide to do so, but if they dont remove or scale it then they can just as well make green fire baseline.
    ..before i just say something outright mean, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    The whole thing just asks you to pay attention and use a few more abilities than your used to. It's nothing as drastic as putting in a platformer in a stat/rotation based rpg.
    WoW is already part platformer. They ask you to jump, move, and avoid certain abilities and Isle of Thunder added platformer dailies. Besides the green fire fight has nothing to do with stat and rotation based mechanics. Just accept the fact that not every one agrees it is the best thing since sliced bread and that there could have been a better way to offer it to warlocks then a simple dps and threat challenge.
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  13. #2233
    The green fire is a reward for beating such a hard(lol) encounter.

    Don't like how the encounter is designed? You'll still do the same dps in raids, dungeons etc. You'll just be firing orange fire...

    Want the cool looking green flames? Go beat the encounter...

    There's nothing hard about it at all, you just have to actually play the game the way it's supposed to be played.
    Not "Turn up to boss, get free rewards!"
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    This ecounter is getting nerfed everytime you gear up anyways , no need for more nerfs. I wish tho they implemented some scaling there like in challenge modes, so it remain somewhat hard to do despite time progression, but then some ppl would never got it and drown in their own tears i guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesftw View Post
    I wish tho they implemented some scaling there like in challenge modes, so it remain somewhat hard to do despite time progression, but then some ppl would never got it and drown in their own tears i guess
    You too. Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Szarala View Post
    ..not the point I'm trying to make. The fight is very attention-intensive; the most so of any encounter in WoW I can think of off the top of my head (and certainly the most attention-intensive solo encounter) ..which is precisely the type of encounter I personally -hate-. Now I realize that I might be in a minority in this opinion (I certainly seem to be in a vocal minority about it) and I absolutely recognize that this is right up the alley of others. For those that dislike it, that it's such a lengthy and unforgiving encounter compounds and magnifies the frustration.

    Yes, there's probably a significant subset of those that complain about it that just want free/easy stuff. I won't deny that "casual entitlement" exists to a certain extent. I'm willing to bet, however, that a larger subset are those, like me, who just plain don't enjoy the encounter. Some will try to analyze/explain the specifics of why they do not, others aren't going to be much more elegant than "this isn't fun, nerf it".

    Sampling just the responses here though, it sorta proves my point. Dozens of posters are touting that there's no other pve challenge like it in the game. Well, doesn't that mean that it's apart from the norm?
    I can accept that you don't like it, though I wish you did

    I'd argue that yes it's apart from the norm. But moreso as an extension to the existing, rather than shooting off in an entirely different direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    I can accept that you don't like it, though I wish you did

    I'd argue that yes it's apart from the norm. But moreso as an extension to the existing, rather than shooting off in an entirely different direction.
    Yanno.. I had my retort all ready to go, but before hitting post, I paused, looked it over (like any good warlock should) and thought to myself "when debating using a series of analogies, if you've come to the point of using a 'soup with too much cilantro' analogy when debating something in a video game, you should probably stop while you're behind".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Szarala View Post
    Yanno.. I had my retort all ready to go, but before hitting post, I paused, looked it over (like any good warlock should) and thought to myself "when debating using a series of analogies, if you've come to the point of using a 'soup with too much cilantro' analogy when debating something in a video game, you should probably stop while you're behind".
    Rofl. We can be friends

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    This is driving me nuts.. All up to the big bad demon it was pretty much a walk in the park, yet a fun experience. But now I'm having the most annoying whipes you can imagine -_-

    I execute everything perfectly yet somehow between 1%-10% he always manages to get a chaos bolt off (even though I LoS it) or the damn felhunters eat up my enslave -_-

    I'm putting out around 110k dps, lining up my chaos bolts+dark soul+doomguard with Charge, Breath pretty much on cooldown, dispel myself with it or with imp special when possible and everytime when I get below the 10% threshold something retarded happens and I whipe. The most frustrating one was where the second felhunters spawn around 5%, ate enslave and I ended up whiping on 1% lol.

    Sure, this is one of the most fun encounters I've had since I started playing 7 years back. But those little quirks that whipe you for no reason are so f'ing annoying :P But man, it'll feel awesome when I have my green fire after all this hard work ;D

    Just came here to rand btw. Now I'll be going back to getting my green fire.

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    Fuck yes.
    Last edited by Shuji V2; 2013-08-28 at 10:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Szarala View Post
    ..before i just say something outright mean, why?
    I dont intend to step on any toes, i just feel that when they design a series of quests that will reward something purely cosmetic and make it "hard" to obtain, then it should stay that way.
    Like challenge mode dungeons - you get some rewards for completing them, and if you are not dedicated enough or "good" enough then you dont get it. It rewards people that are simply better at playing the game, or that puts more time in to get what they want.

    If they dont make the quest unobtainable or scaled in the future - then by 6.0 its the same as making green fire baseline.
    At the original ilevel for the quest, you actually have to preform to get your award, and by doing so will reward induviduality. This is also shown in the PVP part of the game. You do go, you get stuff other people might want, but can never have because you are better.
    Put short, a sense of accomplisment.

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