1. #3581
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaplaceNoMa View Post
    I've never heard about soloing Valithria 25man as DK, not sure about festergut - you can't drop the stacks alltogether, and I don't see DK soloing the 25man (even normal) festergut, even with the plague scientist, below ~540 ilvl dps gear...
    This is actually not true :P Festergut 25H was soloed in 5.3 (post-AMS nerf) by an ilevel 530 Unholy DK, and with the significant buffs to Frost/Unholy since then, the requirement has dropped a lot. I did it as a 517 2H Frost DK, and I'll be trying 25N on my level 85 soon ~

  2. #3582
    Quote Originally Posted by RandomHabit View Post
    Is there a way to modify that macro so that it doesn't target last target unless the Ice Sphere is dead? I've been fiddling with them for a bit.

    I was soaking defiles. I was also getting Soul Reaper while silenced so I don't know if that helps. I just wasn't able to heal to full and eventually infest started ticking for 200k and killed me pretty quickly. I only had one attempt where I successfully pushed into phase 2 so when I try again I'll post those results.

    Aren't the weapons from SoO LFR only 505? I don't have a lot of time to play so sitting in que for 1 to 2 hours then in there for another 2 or 3 for 1 wing has been hard coming for me. That was a few months ago though. I'm actually off work this week though so I'll try again and hope the loot gods love me. (yes the weapon you linked is what I"m currently using, I do have it upgraded with valor points. I'm assuming you're right and it's holding me back. I feel like its taking way too long to push LK into transition and phase 2 but it may be due to my gear as you stated.
    i dont think so but they have low health so it would be pretty easy to one shot them

    you could always make another macro to target the Lich King and cut out the last line and jsut use 2 macros

    and no all SoO LFR gear is 528

  3. #3583
    Confirmed all LFR gear in SoO is 528 other than a few items from Hellscream's table.

  4. #3584
    Still no tips about morchok 25 normal? Can't do it anyway this lockout (saved), so will be for next, but how's the stat prio on it, parry\dodge > mastery > caps > rest? I'll try it with a gearset of mostly dps gear and some mastery items (can reforge to parry ofc if needed), 881k hp unbuffed and 173% mastery, otherwise can swap to a stam trinket for 60k more hp and 9% less mastery, or can reach 200% mastery and 881k hp reforging all.

    With buffs I guess 970k hp or so, but any idea of how much avoidance I need at least (mine is dps gear, so can't get very high)? Assuming it helps a lot since he does less stacks of sunders and then stomps hit less (2.250.000 physical damage, so around 975.000 with full armor and without taking into account presence and blood shield and raises till almost the full amount as armor gets reduced).

    Also is purgatory worth it in this fight? Normally I use lichborne, but when I was 2-manning it with a prot paladin sometime ago (I was taking all stacks cause I had more gear), once he died I noticed that I always got 1-shotted by a stomp when I wiped, I never found myself in a position to use LB, first full hp, then dead.

    Other thing, are exp and hit cap important on this? Considering the 7 min enrage -> 160k dps to beat it? Or should I keep them at lower amounts like 4-5% and focus more on defensive stats?

    Sorry about so many questions, but this is probably my last goal of the exp: how about the meta gem and the cloak? I have both gems but was thinking to use the tank meta in this case, 20% less damage when active sounds useful for stomps, as for the cloaks I only have dps one, worth paying 7k for the tank one? Does the effect it has prevent you from dying and heal you to full on a 2 min cd, if I understood right?
    Last edited by Esploratore; 2014-02-15 at 02:18 PM.

  5. #3585
    I guess the easiest method would be as much mastery and stam to survive the stomps (they will probably give you enough vengeance to beat the enrage). Avoidance to avoid armor debuff stacks might be cool if you feel like surviving stomps isn't that much of a problem. Aim for 7.5% hit, but having less at the cost of some mastery is probably ok for this particular fight.

    If you have awesome DPS gear you can probably burst him more or less with CDs, but this would only work if he doesn't live long enough for you to have no CDs left.

    This post is completely hypothetical
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esploratore View Post
    Still no tips about morchok 25 normal? Can't do it anyway this lockout (saved), so will be for next, but how's the stat prio on it, parry\dodge > mastery > caps > rest? I'll try it with a gearset of mostly dps gear and some mastery items (can reforge to parry ofc if needed), 881k hp unbuffed and 173% mastery, otherwise can swap to a stam trinket for 60k more hp and 9% less mastery, or can reach 200% mastery and 881k hp reforging all.

    With buffs I guess 970k hp or so, but any idea of how much avoidance I need at least (mine is dps gear, so can't get very high)? Assuming it helps a lot since he does less stacks of sunders and then stomps hit less (2.250.000 physical damage, so around 975.000 with full armor and without taking into account presence and blood shield and raises till almost the full amount as armor gets reduced).

    Also is purgatory worth it in this fight? Normally I use lichborne, but when I was 2-manning it with a prot paladin sometime ago (I was taking all stacks cause I had more gear), once he died I noticed that I always got 1-shotted by a stomp when I wiped, I never found myself in a position to use LB, first full hp, then dead.

    Other thing, are exp and hit cap important on this? Considering the 7 min enrage -> 160k dps to beat it? Or should I keep them at lower amounts like 4-5% and focus more on defensive stats?

    Sorry about so many questions, but this is probably my last goal of the exp: how about the meta gem and the cloak? I have both gems but was thinking to use the tank meta in this case, 20% less damage when active sounds useful for stomps, as for the cloaks I only have dps one, worth paying 7k for the tank one? Does the effect it has prevent you from dying and heal you to full on a 2 min cd, if I understood right?
    Did you watch the video linked in this thread during 5.3? The fight should be more or less the same, as the only Vengeance nerf that affects this is the 1.8% -> 1.5% change, and you have more gear. Use tank gear, which was also used in the video.

    Give the boss a few tries and select Lichborne/Purgatory accordingly.
    Last edited by Khiyone; 2014-02-15 at 07:41 PM.

  7. #3587
    Thanks both for the answers, and yes, I watched that video lots of times, I guess I will try with my current mastery set, if I die and have enough margin to the enrage I will get the timeless 543 mastery + dodge trinket and reforge all dps items to mastery and parry; if really necessary to survive I will get the tank cloak. Also an advantage that avoidance can give: back then riposte didn't exist, some bonus crit doesn't hurt.

  8. #3588
    True, the faster he dies the less time you have to die yourself o/
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  9. #3589
    I'm going to give Yogg 0 25m a chance @ 518ilvl. I dont have much hope in it, but meh. Been doing H LK for a few weeks now, first kill 499 Ilvl, at 518 its a push over, beyond a joke. Lets see if I can rage quit on Yogg xD

    Yea.. first attemtp...yea... no comment..

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    Any tips for P3? I got nito P3 after ~4 attempts.
    The issue was there were 4, yes 4, crusher tenticles up. Thats 80% (60% after i interrupt 1, 2 depending on spread) reduction. I deal piss poor damage and by the time i killed one I already had like 10 of the guardians on me. Ontop of this, there were like 6 of the tenticles that put debuffs on you up. I just committed suicide at that point, I have NFI what to do in that situation.

    2 brain phases btw.

    Man, I hate playing this game casually (CBF raiding, did it hardcore, top 50 world guild in Cata), limited to the availability on what you can do. I cant see this being possible with 2 brain phases. Givign up on this after ~6 or so attempts.

    Tip: Dont touch Yogg @ 518ilvl.
    Last edited by Faulty Mitchell; 2014-02-17 at 08:33 PM.

  10. #3590
    "I hate that song". Is it possible to solo? The levers takes 10 secs each, and you have to interrupt within 15 secs?

  11. #3591
    Not soloable since you need to click both levers AND kick the boss who is like 29764km away from the levers. Get 2 friends for that one
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  12. #3592
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomisno View Post
    Not soloable since you need to click both levers AND kick the boss who is like 29764km away from the levers. Get 2 friends for that one
    If you get 5 people you can actually burst him fast enough to down him prior to him channeling the song.

  13. #3593
    Quote Originally Posted by Faulty Mitchell View Post
    Any tips for P3? I got nito P3 after ~4 attempts.
    The issue was there were 4, yes 4, crusher tenticles up. Thats 80% (60% after i interrupt 1, 2 depending on spread) reduction. I deal piss poor damage and by the time i killed one I already had like 10 of the guardians on me. Ontop of this, there were like 6 of the tenticles that put debuffs on you up. I just committed suicide at that point, I have NFI what to do in that situation.

    2 brain phases btw.

    Man, I hate playing this game casually (CBF raiding, did it hardcore, top 50 world guild in Cata), limited to the availability on what you can do. I cant see this being possible with 2 brain phases. Givign up on this after ~6 or so attempts.

    Tip: Dont touch Yogg @ 518ilvl.
    While I certainly do not recommand touching Yogg at 518 ilvl (you won't kill it easily) you're also doing it completely wrong if you have 4 crusher tentacles after two brain pahses. That means you either:
    1) never killed a single one
    2) took ages in the brain room resulting two spawning during each phase instead of one (the second brain phase especially must be extremely long for a second crusher to spawn)

    I had 2 brain phases in my first kill as well (ilvl 52X, no legendary meta, no legendary nor epic cloak), and had only two crushers in p3.
    The only 'nerf' since then is the Vengeance change which doesn't change anything til the end of p3 (Vengeance doesn't exist before that part anyway) and is more than offset by the survivability changes when tanking a lot of mobs (SoB), or the addition of Regenerative Magic.
    Sanity has also been completely removed from the fight which means you should do brain phases SUPER quickly now, as you no longer have to turn around to avoid skulls and stuff. Just rush straight to the mobs, abuse heart strike in ICC, in every other one use only single rune abilities such as IT/PS (you can let diseases finish off the first few tentacles in Sartharion/Stormwind) and go FAST. Disregard the skulls entirely.

    If you're going to do it with two brain phases, you're supposed to time the end of the second phase correctly with your dots and to leave the room early so you can start DPS'ing the tentacles earlier. Let the dots trigger Yogg below 30%.

    tl;dr it's not going to be easy, but you certainly shouldn't give up that quickly.
    Last edited by Mionelol; 2014-02-18 at 05:32 AM.

  14. #3594
    Quote Originally Posted by MagmyGeraith View Post
    If you get 5 people you can actually burst him fast enough to down him prior to him channeling the song.
    Clever, haven't thought about that even though it's kind of obvious^^
    Nomi Solo - 70 DK solo Karazhan, 60 Pala solo MC.

  15. #3595
    Quote Originally Posted by diezel413 View Post
    Confirmed all LFR gear in SoO is 528 other than a few items from Hellscream's table.
    Everything from Garrosh on LFR is 528 as heirlooms only drop from Flex, Normal and Heroic.

  16. #3596
    Quote Originally Posted by Nomisno View Post
    Clever, haven't thought about that even though it's kind of obvious^^
    It actually happened by accident in our group...2 of us were down by the levers and suddenly we all got the achievement. Enhancement burst is ridiculous.

  17. #3597
    Quote Originally Posted by LaplaceNoMa View Post
    Answering to you both - I'm quite certain that in order to switch to 25H on LK, you have to kill all 11 bosses in 25man, and Putricide, Sindragosa and BQL must also be killed in heroic.

    I've never heard about soloing Valithria 25man as DK, not sure about festergut - you can't drop the stacks alltogether, and I don't see DK soloing the 25man (even normal) festergut, even with the plague scientist, below ~540 ilvl dps gear...

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    Also, normal/heroic SHOULD matter, because if you use a heroic lockout, your alt will also have his lockout as 12/12 after you kill lich king, even if he wasn't present. That's how heroic lockouts work, so I'm pretty certain you can only 'save' a normal lockout on one of your alts for those matters...
    I solo all 12 bosses included HC LK 25 man each week. My character is Tarnesh on Dark Iron, I have ~535 ilvl dps gear as 2h Frost and ~540 ilvl tank gear (needed for Valithria).

    I run 25 man for the first 2 bosses (only LK is heroic), 10 man on Gunship, 25 man for the 4th boss. Then I decide which wing to tackle first, blood or frost. If I go blood first, I clear trash to the princes, go mc a plague scientist, and kill princes as Frost with plague scientist. Then I clear to BQL, still on 25 man, with a plague scientist, and kill her as frost or blood (blood is easier, but Frost is faster). On to frost wing, step outside instance, switch to 10 man, put on all the stamina you can and spec blood, hope you can heal dreamwalker on first try. Sometimes takes 2-3 attempts (basically im not disciplined enough to stay on top of her to heal her with bloodworms 100% of the time). After thats done, go outside the instance, back to 25 man for the rest of the bosses. Sindragosa is easy, think I do it as blood, but is probably doable with frost.

    As for plague wing, these guys have always been 1 shots for me since I started this a few weeks ago. I can do them (not PP) as frost with no problem as long as I have an mc plague scientist. I hit ~400k dps easily without flask or drums. On PP, I switch back to blood just to make it easier. Once LK is the only boss left, switch to heroic inside the instance, go blood, and follow the various strats already posted (p1 on the steps, dps through transitions using cd's to survive if you need to, i find icy spheres easy to target by having the camera straight above myself and the LK pointing down with nameplates off, single RS kills them, dps LK only using DRW and Outbreak together for double diseases). Total clear should take less than 2 hours, and thats a leisurely pace. Since starting to clear it weekly about a month ago, I have never wiped in plague wing, and LK is only due to poor placement in p1 and being blown off the ledge.

  18. #3598
    Quote Originally Posted by LaplaceNoMa View Post
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    Also, normal/heroic SHOULD matter, because if you use a heroic lockout, your alt will also have his lockout as 12/12 after you kill lich king, even if he wasn't present. That's how heroic lockouts work, so I'm pretty certain you can only 'save' a normal lockout on one of your alts for those matters...
    The answer to this is kill the final wings on 10m Heroic and then switch to 25man heroic. The alt uses the 10man raid id so when lk dies on 25man, it doesn't overwrite it like it normally would have.

  19. #3599
    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimeir View Post
    Also, normal/heroic SHOULD matter, because if you use a heroic lockout, your alt will also have his lockout as 12/12 after you kill lich king, even if he wasn't present. That's how heroic lockouts work, so I'm pretty certain you can only 'save' a normal lockout on one of your alts for those matters...
    The answer to this is kill the final wings on 10m Heroic and then switch to 25man heroic. The alt uses the 10man raid id so when lk dies on 25man, it doesn't overwrite it like it normally would have.
    You're doing it all to complicated. You only need to kill Lich King once on 25m normal to unlock heroic. After that you can clear up to LK on 10N, go outside, set 25m and go inside and swap to heroic. If you kill any bosses on heroic, you can not swap between 10/25 mode.

    It's been a while since I've done it, but I belive it's enough to enter with your alt now, accept save and then extend lockout every week. Though it's been a while since I've done this myself, as I usually clear full ICC with a friend for a shield that just won't drop.

  20. #3600
    Quote Originally Posted by Aidic View Post
    I run 25 man for the first 2 bosses (only LK is heroic), 10 man on Gunship, 25 man for the 4th boss. Then I decide which wing to tackle first, blood or frost. If I go blood first, I clear trash to the princes, go mc a plague scientist, and kill princes as Frost with plague scientist. Then I clear to BQL, still on 25 man, with a plague scientist, and kill her as frost or blood (blood is easier, but Frost is faster). On to frost wing, step outside instance, switch to 10 man, put on all the stamina you can and spec blood, hope you can heal dreamwalker on first try. Sometimes takes 2-3 attempts (basically im not disciplined enough to stay on top of her to heal her with bloodworms 100% of the time). After thats done, go outside the instance, back to 25 man for the rest of the bosses. Sindragosa is easy, think I do it as blood, but is probably doable with frost.
    This was the most complicated thing I read today.
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