Patch 5.2 Elder Charms Changes, Patch 5.2 Legendary Quests, Blue Posts, TCG Art

[Attsey]

Good. The people tweeting him those moronic things deserve getting back what they dish out.

Hang on, he answers them.

---------- Post added 2013-01-22 at 08:13 PM ----------

The connection would be closer to you WANT GEMS< so complain there should be many more ways to get them., like raiding mini bosses, dropds from mobs ect, while most of them come from mining/prospecting.

---------- Post added 2013-01-22 at 02:25 PM ----------



Work = time = effort. Good try though. You aren't forced into anything. If you feel that way, I suggest putting the keyboard down, and going to see a shrink.

Blizzard have pretty much acknowledged that "optional" its not optional given that they know "Players consider optional content optional and skip over it". Stikes me you have no understanding of what motivates a great deal of people that play this game.

[Yig]

That is like saying "I have to grind out all factions to Revered to get access to all the VP gear, half of which I may not even buy, cause I will replace it with raid gear before I can afford it, after buying more critical pieces".

It is a CHOICE for you to do it. You CHOOSE to take advantage of the offered feature. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying "You better get those Elder Charms, or you are a baddie and can't raid!". If your raid leader is doing that basically with your raid slot, then you might wanna talk to them about the difference between "optional" and "mandatory". If they consider it a required practice within the guild, then that is something you accept to play with them. Blizzard isn't in-charge of the rules of guilds, as long as they don't violate the ToS and EULA.

Hey now, you went over the character limit. Anything more than a short and simple fallacious rhetorical buzz point and these guys are too stupid or self absorbed to consider your argument. All they know is, they want the game to be designed around what they like, everyone else be damned. Their parents did after all tell them they could be "anything" if they put their mind to it.

[caveman250]

*Post about more reasons for raiders to do dailies, something that will piss off alot of people*

*Follow up with news about TESO going into Beta*

Well played MMO-champ, well played.

[Etherius]

You know what Blizzard? Keep the good work up. No, I'm being serious.. you're doing a good job!

There's a line to be drawn between listening to the consumer and what you guys consider the game to be about. Some won't like it - "some" don't have to. Games like this will often change, and it seems some are less willing to go with the change.. be it due to difficulty, access, layout, whatever. With time though, I think most of us tend to adapt to the change - there will always however be vocal groups who find it unacceptable. Is it wrong? No... it's not wrong not to like something, but don't expect everyone else to dislike it because you don't.

From what I can see, there are arguments for situations (like VP capping) requiring too much OR not enough - I find that's a good and proper middle ground. They're trying to provide for the wants of many, not the few. Before I would probably complain that VP cap is too low because I was once a HC raider, but much like this game, I have changed. As a game, this doesn't need to be fuel for rage, and I find my dedication to it can cause a few sparks... but that's not the game's fault - that's mine. I have a passion for this game, like many do, and when something you love changes or goes wrong, yeah, it sucks.. but don't just walk away. Look into it a little - get a deeper understanding of just why this might have happened and who it all reflects.. Blizzard can and has had its faults, but we're no better than they are.

Since Jan '07 I've been playing WoW on and off and while my interest in it comes and goes, it still will be a game years from now I'll fondly reflect upon. There have been inconvenient moments, there are bugs, there are layouts and ideas I would rather live without.. but for the sake of all, the good of this game truly does outweigh the often temporarily and optional bad.

So again Blizzard, thank you~ And keep up the good work!

[Ferrouswheel]

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---------- Post added 2013-01-22 at 08:13 PM ----------



Blizzard have pretty much acknowledged that "optional" its not optional given that they know "Players consider optional content optional and skip over it". Stikes me you have no understanding of what motivates a great deal of people that play this game.

Semantics. I CHOOSE to play this game, I CHOOSE to raid. If I want to play this game and raid I am FORCED to do dailies for bonus rolls because I have no way to CHOOSE another way to get them. If I show up to raid without gems, enchants, flasks and bonus rolls I will be bitched at. A few of us are trying to get tier, we yell at people who say "what dropped hurry I need to know before I use my roll". We require everyone to use their roll so they can get their tier through that, and the tier that drops can go to someone else.

We're looking for options, not less work. If they made it so you'd have to do twice the work than dailies to get the coins you wouldn't see people complaining. We would no longer be forced down one route, we'd have a choice. Saying "you're not forced to do anything you choose to play the game you can just go outside and do something else" is just ignorant.

[Gurbz]

Semantics. I CHOOSE to play this game, I CHOOSE to raid. If I want to play this game and raid I am FORCED to do dailies for bonus rolls because I have no way to CHOOSE another way to get them. If I show up to raid without gems, enchants, flasks and bonus rolls I will be bitched at. A few of us are trying to get tier, we yell at people who say "what dropped hurry I need to know before I use my roll". We require everyone to use their roll so they can get their tier through that, and the tier that drops can go to someone else.

We're looking for options, not less work. If they made it so you'd have to do twice the work than dailies to get the coins you wouldn't see people complaining. We would no longer be forced down one route, we'd have a choice. Saying "you're not forced to do anything you choose to play the game you can just go outside and do something else" is just ignorant.

And you CHOOSE to play that way. You could just as easily, and without a significant detriment to your overall progress, skip them. If the guild you are in will not allow that, you can find a different guild. Raids lived without them for 8 years. It is a roughly 15% chance at an extra piece of loot 3 times a week. That will not make or break a raid's progress, especially at the level of performance where it would even come remotely close to mattering.

That said, you are getting options, as I believe the lesser charms will be available from Pet Battles starting in 5.2. Yet it's odd that you still see a ton of people with your exact argument (we want more options) even after you got options. A more honest and accurate way would be to say that you want the option to do only the content you want, yet still get the exact same rewards as those who are consuming a wider variety of content.

[Attsey]

Semantics. I CHOOSE to play this game, I CHOOSE to raid. If I want to play this game and raid I am FORCED to do dailies for bonus rolls because I have no way to CHOOSE another way to get them. If I show up to raid without gems, enchants, flasks and bonus rolls I will be bitched at. A few of us are trying to get tier, we yell at people who say "what dropped hurry I need to know before I use my roll". We require everyone to use their roll so they can get their tier through that, and the tier that drops can go to someone else.

We're looking for options, not less work. If they made it so you'd have to do twice the work than dailies to get the coins you wouldn't see people complaining. We would no longer be forced down one route, we'd have a choice. Saying "you're not forced to do anything you choose to play the game you can just go outside and do something else" is just ignorant.

Wooo, I agree with you.

[MordorFires]

Was going to say this was a bad idea, then realized you'd only need 12 Charms at most and then less once you don't need LFR gear or gear from specific boss loot tables.

[Ferrouswheel]

And you CHOOSE to play that way. You could just as easily, and without a significant detriment to your overall progress, skip them. If the guild you are in will not allow that, you can find a different guild. Raids lived without them for 8 years. It is a roughly 15% chance at an extra piece of loot 3 times a week. That will not make or break a raid's progress, especially at the level of performance where it would even come remotely close to mattering.

That said, you are getting options, as I believe the lesser charms will be available from Pet Battles starting in 5.2. Yet it's odd that you still see a ton of people with your exact argument (we want more options) even after you got options. A more honest and accurate way would be to say that you want the option to do only the content you want, yet still get the exact same rewards as those who are consuming a wider variety of content.

I'm just stating that lack of options was the "forced" issue. That blizzard even admits themselves players were "forced" to grind rep for head enchants. The rep grinding wasn't the issue, as dailies are not the issue. It's lack of options. Only allowing one way to get a head enchant or bonus roll is bad design. The people arguing this are ignorant and even Blizzard isn't on their side. Which is why we have pet battles giving them. Which I'm pleased with, thus I'm no longer complaining. Just annoying when people don't understand the concept of, I choose to do A, there should be a choice of B and C to get it. when there is a lack of choice you are forced to do B. They're arguing semantics and making stuff up like we're complaining about having to do work. When nobody ever said that.

[Lemonpartyfan]

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---------- Post added 2013-01-22 at 08:13 PM ----------



Blizzard have pretty much acknowledged that "optional" its not optional given that they know "Players consider optional content optional and skip over it". Stikes me you have no understanding of what motivates a great deal of people that play this game.

The motivation is gear only. Its all the raving masses seem to care about anymore. 'I demand more gear, better gear, gear faster, with less time and effort involved in getting it"

Its a sad fact, and its ruining video games.

No one is forcing you to do anything in WoW. Its ridiculous to even suggest it. The motivation behind doing those EASY AS PIE dailies, is the thought of salivating all over more gear on 'bonus' rolls.

---------- Post added 2013-01-22 at 05:52 PM ----------

And you CHOOSE to play that way. You could just as easily, and without a significant detriment to your overall progress, skip them. If the guild you are in will not allow that, you can find a different guild. Raids lived without them for 8 years. It is a roughly 15% chance at an extra piece of loot 3 times a week. That will not make or break a raid's progress, especially at the level of performance where it would even come remotely close to mattering.

That said, you are getting options, as I believe the lesser charms will be available from Pet Battles starting in 5.2. Yet it's odd that you still see a ton of people with your exact argument (we want more options) even after you got options. A more honest and accurate way would be to say that you want the option to do only the content you want, yet still get the exact same rewards as those who are consuming a wider variety of content.

Agreed. It all comes down to "We want more gear, faster, with less overall effort." Its sad that is the only motivation to play it seems. This is likely why people moan so much: They only care about the loot, and their obsession with it makes them miserable when they don't get gear all the time with little effort.

[tangers58]

Wow... a new way to get Charms... through dailies... the same way we get them now... Please Blizzard, enough with the dailies.

[MrExcelion]

Not a fan of extra RNG coins

[KaPe]

Like plenty of people here I have to wonder, who thought adding more Charms to daily quests was a good idea. I just don't follow the logic. Adding them to pet battles - ok, fine, it's a different way of acquiring them. I don't really care about that, but still, it's something. But random drop from daily quest as an alternative to ... daily quests?

I was kinda joking about it in my guild few days ago - "they'll add even more Charms from those dailies to make sure you'll be doing them". And holy shit, I was right. Is Blizzard trolling us or something?

"Hey guys, I heard you were complaining about having to do dailies in order to get Elder Charms. Good news, now you can do even more dailies to get even more Charms. And it's random! Enjoy!"

And obviously, even more people defending Blizzard with their typical "effort" and "choice" bullshit. Be honest with yourself. In what kind of crazy world More Daily Quests are an alternative to Daily Quests? It makes no damn sense.

[MrExcelion]

Yeah I'll be doing them every day without fail just for the chance for more charms now, even if I'm VP capped and already turned in my weekly 90.

[Nesingwary-Eliada]

Players: "Wah wah wahhhhh, boo hoo, whine, nag, rage, general rudeness, 'you will literally NEVER please us, EVER', more boo hoo, wahhhhh."

Blue Post: [Insert generally calm and reasonable response given to the best of their ability, though the slight hint of completely understandable frustration may rear its head]

Players: "BRAVE WORDS. WE HAVE HEARD THEM BEFORE, FROM THOUSANDS OF SPECIES ACROSS THOUSANDS OF WORLDS, SINCE LONG BEFORE YOU WERE CREATED, BUT NOW, THEY ARE ALL BORG. NEGOTIATION IS IRRELEVANT. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. YOU MUST COMPLY."

[hplaner]

Don't worry guys, they already said that the Elder of Good Charms are only applicable for 5.0 raids, Galleon and Sha only. New bosses in 5.2 will be using a new charm, which are earned by switching lesser charms. Therefore, introducing Elder of Good Charms onto dailies does not change anything, but give players a chance of having a chance of getting a charm that gives them a chance of getting an item off 5.0 raids.

[Ealyssa]

Don't worry guys, they already said that the Elder of Good Charms are only applicable for 5.0 raids, Galleon and Sha only. New bosses in 5.2 will be using a new charm, which are earned by switching lesser charms. Therefore, introducing Elder of Good Charms onto dailies does not change anything, but give players a chance of having a chance of getting a charm that gives them a chance of getting an item off 5.0 raids.

Mmmh no, You are completly wrong. They won't be new charms. Sry to burst your bubble.

EDIT : my bad, confused between lesser and elder charms. No new lesser charms, but new big charms, right.

[paraalso]

Mmmh no, You are completly wrong. They won't be new charms. Sry to burst your bubble.

"Just for clarity's sake, once patch 5.2 is live, Elder Charms of Good Fortune will only apply to Mogu'shan Vaults, Heart of Fear, Terrace of Endless Spring, the Sha of Anger, and Salyis' Warband (Galleon). There will also be a brand new Elder Charm equivalent currently called the Mogu Charm of Fate. MRFs will be used in the new content being released in 5.2 including Throne of Thunder, Nalak the Storm Lord, and Oondasta (ooh, say it again!). They'll still be "purchased" with lesser charms of good fortune though, exactly how the current Lesser Charm to Elder Charm conversion works. "

[Viking]

More ways to get charms? It's still dailies, and only dailies. Oh and new charms for 5.2 content... yeah, fuck this game.

[antelope591]

So much complaining...wow playerbase is really pathetic. At least daily's give you a reason to log in the game....personally I don't miss the days where all you did was log on raid times then turned WoW off the rest of the week. Hell you can still do that...plenty of people still do. At least if you do want to log in now you can get a small extra bonus of charms. But WAAAAHHHHH its gonna be mandatory....I find it hilarious when people say that kind of shit then you look at their profile and they haven't even downed any heroic bosses. If you're in a world first guild a couple of extra dailys isn't gonna kill you. If you're in a normal clearing casual guild then a few extra charms sure as fuck isn't gonna make or break your raid so stop your damn crying.