Patch 5.2 Elder Charms Changes, Patch 5.2 Legendary Quests, Blue Posts, TCG Art

[ZeroEdgeir]

Time to grab those trillium bars before they skyrocket in price!

I can manufacture 3-4 Trillium Bars (non-proc) per day, off of my farm alone. And with the fact that 5.2 is boosting the yield of all crafting profession crops, it will be even faster.

[Lemonpartyfan]

Its not an entitlement issue. Its that charms provide an advantage that we feel compelled to obtain in order to help our respective raid groups as much as possible. Its the fact that they're only from content we hate that makes it a bad system to us.

Then don't get them. If you want an extra way to get loot, you have to do the work. I don't see how this doesn't make sense to you guys.

[Drathos]

That is like saying "I have to grind out all factions to Revered to get access to all the VP gear, half of which I may not even buy, cause I will replace it with raid gear before I can afford it, after buying more critical pieces".

It is a CHOICE for you to do it. You CHOOSE to take advantage of the offered feature. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying "You better get those Elder Charms, or you are a baddie and can't raid!". If your raid leader is doing that basically with your raid slot, then you might wanna talk to them about the difference between "optional" and "mandatory". If they consider it a required practice within the guild, then that is something you accept to play with them. Blizzard isn't in-charge of the rules of guilds, as long as they don't violate the ToS and EULA.

Have you ever been in a progression raiding guild? "Optional" chance to get extra chances at loot is nowhere near optional. It is mandatory, and Blizzard knows this. They just don't care enough to change it.

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Then don't get them. If you want an extra way to get loot, you have to do the work. I don't see how this doesn't make sense to you guys.

Its about options. Blizzard promised we would get OPTIONS to CHOOSE how we wanted to play in this expansion. Instead they give us 1 way to get Lesser Charms at launch. Then they add another way to get Lesser Charms, but also a RNG way to get extra Elder Charms above the "weekly cap" of 3.

[Zstr]

ahaha, u stull have to do dailes to get elder charm coin, while ppl was whining to give alternative way, ahah good trolling blizzard

[Bantokar]

That is like saying "I have to grind out all factions to Revered to get access to all the VP gear, half of which I may not even buy, cause I will replace it with raid gear before I can afford it, after buying more critical pieces".

It is a CHOICE for you to do it. You CHOOSE to take advantage of the offered feature. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying "You better get those Elder Charms, or you are a baddie and can't raid!". If your raid leader is doing that basically with your raid slot, then you might wanna talk to them about the difference between "optional" and "mandatory". If they consider it a required practice within the guild, then that is something you accept to play with them. Blizzard isn't in-charge of the rules of guilds, as long as they don't violate the ToS and EULA.

Ye it´s not like you have to do every daily every day. Keeping those 90 tokens a week is not really an issue. 20 min a day you don´t stand in main city doing nothing. Personally i never set foot in a normal raid in MOP yet. Do some occassional dailys, don´t even cap valor each week and even though I started late in MOP i am still geared enough to start HC raiding if I want. It´s not really as big an issue as people make it out to be. Sure it might be different for top 10-100 guilds, but they are just that, the top because they go that xtra mile instead of whining about dailys.

[Mekh]

If raiders want other alternatives to get charms, I'm sure they'll also be fine with a questing alternative to get raid loot, right? Oh, wait...

[Maelstrom51]

That is like saying "I have to grind out all factions to Revered to get access to all the VP gear, half of which I may not even buy, cause I will replace it with raid gear before I can afford it, after buying more critical pieces".

It is a CHOICE for you to do it. You CHOOSE to take advantage of the offered feature. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying "You better get those Elder Charms, or you are a baddie and can't raid!". If your raid leader is doing that basically with your raid slot, then you might wanna talk to them about the difference between "optional" and "mandatory". If they consider it a required practice within the guild, then that is something you accept to play with them. Blizzard isn't in-charge of the rules of guilds, as long as they don't violate the ToS and EULA.

The exact same logic can be used for gems and enchants. We can agree that gems and enchants are de facto required, yes?

Then don't get them. If you want an extra way to get loot, you have to do the work. I don't see how this doesn't make sense to you guys.

We're not complaining about having to do something extra. We're complaining about that something extra being daily quests and/or pet battles. I find it pretty stupid that solo mindless grinding has such a huge impact on group performance, and would like more options to get the same rewards.

[superstargoddess]

Not even sure why people are talking about 25 man raids anymore, they are so dead. Nobody hardly does them as a guild and nobody does them as pugs, it's frustrating coming back when I did and seeing it go from 25s everywhere to no 25s hardly at all.

[lokithor]

Now they just need to address the fact that a lot of us are overflowing with lesser charms. Need to be able to turn in more than just once a week/

[dapoot]

The more I read about the upcoming patch notes legendary items / charms etc.. The more i understand whats going on. Blizz trying to keep us busy grinding LFR legendarys ... in my opinion .. a legendary is legendary and Should be alot harder to Obtain than jumping around in LFR ....??? In otherwords. Is this some cheap trick to secure players ..?

[Lemonpartyfan]

Have you ever been in a progression raiding guild? "Optional" chance to get extra chances at loot is nowhere near optional. It is mandatory, and Blizzard knows this. They just don't care enough to change it.

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Its about options. Blizzard promised we would get OPTIONS to CHOOSE how we wanted to play in this expansion. Instead they give us 1 way to get Lesser Charms at launch. Then they add another way to get Lesser Charms, but also a RNG way to get extra Elder Charms above the "weekly cap" of 3.

You still have options. Charms are not mandatory. You have the option of getting them, or not. You have the option to literally fish for 8 hours. You CHOOSE to raid, and CHOOSE to get charms. The thing is, you want something for nothing. If you want extra rolls, then get charms. If you don't care so much, then don't.

[kazih]

I laughed and cried at the same time when I saw "Patch 5.2 adds another way to earn Elder Charms, through daily quests"
Jesus christ blizzard.

[Lemonpartyfan]

The exact same logic can be used for gems and enchants. We can agree that gems and enchants are de facto required, yes?



We're not complaining about having to do something extra. We're complaining about that something extra being daily quests and/or pet battles. I find it pretty stupid that solo mindless grinding has such a huge impact on group performance, and would like more options to get the same rewards.

You are literally complaining about having to do something extra to get something you want. effort+time=reward. It depends on how much its worth to you. Its obviously worth a lot, or you wouldn;t do it.

[Maelstrom51]

You are literally complaining about having to do something extra to get something you want. effort+time=reward. It depends on how much its worth to you. Its obviously worth a lot, or you wouldn;t do it.

No. That's not what I'm complaining about. If lesser charms were available from extra mini bosses in raids, rare spawns, heroic dungeons, etc. I would not complain about daily charms. The extra work would still be there, but I would be content.

Lets say that elder charms were available for repeatedly going in circles on your mount for an hour in a pure white room. Basically, think of the most boring thing in the game possible for you. This also rewards charms, and is the only way to get said charms. Would you be disgruntled by this? Because that's how I feel about charms and daily quests.

[Lemonpartyfan]

No. That's not what I'm complaining about. If lesser charms were available from extra mini bosses in raids, rare spawns, heroic dungeons, etc. I would not complain about daily charms. The extra work would still be there, but I would be content.

Lets say that elder charms were available for repeatedly going in circles on your mount for an hour in a pure white room. Basically, think of the most boring thing in the game possible for you. This also rewards charms, and is the only way to get said charms. Would you be disgruntled by this? Because that's how I feel about charms and daily quests.

NO, I just wouldn't do them in that case. Thats where there is clearly a choice.

[segoplout]

No. That's not what I'm complaining about. If lesser charms were available from extra mini bosses in raids, rare spawns, heroic dungeons, etc. I would not complain about daily charms. The extra work would still be there, but I would be content.

Lets say that elder charms were available for repeatedly going in circles on your mount for an hour in a pure white room. Basically, think of the most boring thing in the game possible for you. This also rewards charms, and is the only way to get said charms. Would you be disgruntled by this? Because that's how I feel about charms and daily quests.

Well said, you get it, seems others still don't understand the reason this is all bad news. Complaining about people complaining that they have to do the same damn thing every hour, every day to get some tokens or whatnot? Jaysus. The gripe is against the lack of imagination or lack of development on these things. No one wants to do dailies in Wow all the time (many, like myself, refuse to do them at all) and this is a vocal slant against Blizzard and what do they do? They give us more. It feels insulting or that they are not in tune with their userbase.

Dailies are lazy programming.

[looorg]

"After you faction completes the War Effort enough to unlock the Lighting Forge"

As far as I know lots of servers have very VERY unbalanced (size wise) faction populations. This could turn out to be utterly horrible for those people stuck on some server where their faction is in the minority, not only are they stuck on that new PVP island being gank fodder but to progress along the questline they are forced there.

Ofcause if it's superduper simple to unlock the Lighting Forge it might be less of an issue, or they'll enable CRZ on the island. Don't know which is worse ...

[FeuerFrei]

http:// sacredduty . net /2012/10/26/ counterpoint-the-valor-point-grind/


I posted this link a while back.

The last post is what I am talking about.
Long Story Short

25heroic guild with 2 ferals in the raid.1 into dailies the other not.Dailies feral got gear quick from Bonus Rolls and was able to outbid the non dailies feral when the Polearm from Spirit Kings dropped.All of you as a present or former Raiders/Heroic Raiders feels that its ok that you can outbid someone over a heroic (or normal,after all a raid weapon is a raid weapon) just because you gathered 4 tongues and 11 feathers day after day?
You can only use them on raid bosses,nowhere else
Who would go against the proposal that Elder Charms dropping only from Raid Bosses?And Why?

[Quilzar]

Who would go against the proposal that Elder Charms dropping only from Raid Bosses?And Why?

I am 100% against elder charms dropping from raid bosses.

It is meant to be a bonus.

You are meant to earn them outside of raiding not during raiding.

If it dropped from raiding why would they just not up the loot drop rate because that in effect is the same thing?

Do I think they should be obtainable in other ways, sure I can 100% see that (I am not a big fan of them dropping from heroics but would be fine with it).

As as a reward from Challenge Modes sure.

As a chance out of the loot cache in Scenarios sure.

But dropping from raiding, no-way it is a completely pointless item at that point.

Does anyone know on PTR if there is now a weekly cap on how many you can spend?

Seems odd they raised that cap and if there is no cap on spending everyone can spend 20 a week? Seems extreme!

[Maelstrom51]

I am 100% against elder charms dropping from raid bosses.

It is meant to be a bonus.

You are meant to earn them outside of raiding not during raiding.

If it dropped from raiding why would they just not up the loot drop rate because that in effect is the same thing?

Do I think they should be obtainable in other ways, sure I can 100% see that (I am not a big fan of them dropping from heroics but would be fine with it).

As as a reward from Challenge Modes sure.

As a chance out of the loot cache in Scenarios sure.

But dropping from raiding, no-way it is a completely pointless item at that point.

Does anyone know on PTR if there is now a weekly cap on how many you can spend?

Seems odd they raised that cap and if there is no cap on spending everyone can spend 20 a week? Seems extreme!

The cap you can spend each week is limited to the number of bosses you're killing that you need gear from, as well as the number of charms you have.