In PvE spells can reliably hit up to 4 levels above you.I don't think you realised what i was talking about, someone said that spells from a low level can't hit a high lvl, so i just mentioned how it can, and just said about that event, It has nothing to do with him hurting me
5+ gets very annoying and if you see a ?? Mob you can basically just forget casting stuff.
Melee is a bit different, they get glancing blows but generally they get to bring their stuff to the target.
Source: http://www.wowwiki.com/HitCode:If the difference between the mob's level and your level is greater than 2, then the formula for calculating your base miss rate against that mob is: with single-wielding: 2% + (Mob Level - Your Level) * 2%
So that 51 had: 2% + (85-51)*2% = 2% + 34*2% = 70% miss chance.
While it has been quite a while since I PvPd against high level players, I'm pretty confident in saying that the same formula applies there.
People, myself included, frequently say they want one thing, and what they need is something slightly different. It takes a fair bit of brutal honesty and introspection to figure out what would actually do yourself good, as opposed to what you just think you want. The only way to break through this barrier of a lack of introspection and self-understanding is to make things completely blatantly obvious, such as a massive warning when you click on "PVP server" that says "I hereby consent to unfair PVP and persecution, click Yes to get murdered in-game" - which would be a bad business decision.
Either that or you can invent a machine to punch people through the internet.
I love it. I rarely agree with them on PvP related topics, but they have the right idea with ganking and world PvP. Red is dead, as it should be.
I just love how everyone complains the community of wow is an utter toilet yet this thread is full of people defending guys camping level 12 guys at level 90. Sure if some idiot kills swoops down and kills a guy in one shot it can be called PvP but we all know these arse holes only do it for the sake of being arse holes. People like Endus will echo endlessly 'Its a PvP realm!'Its a PvP realm!'Its a PvP realm!'Its a PvP realm!'Its a PvP realm! to defend any sort of negative game play.
They should just remove all pretense and remove all safe zones and allow you to loot the gear of the dead. As the guy i quoted mentioned UO they should make it like that. WOW pvp is the most care bear pvp in any mmo. I know some people how play on pvp realms seem to think they are tough guys and have the audacity to call other people care bears. All you can lose in wow pvp is time. That's it. It has no other consequence. This is why i find people who camp lowbies to be beneath contempt. In consequence free pvp when all they have to lose is time they don't even have the bottle to risk that.
I'm a Forsaken. I kill firstborns while their mamas watch. I turn cities into salt. I even, when I feel like it, rip the souls from little girls, and from now till kingdom come, the only thing you can count on in your existence is never understanding why.
Gankers can't stand losing, that's why these idiots choose their targets very carefully and only attack if they know with certainty that they win.
I've seen it countless times during my PvP-Server years.
Me at 100% HP -> Hordie grins and waves.
Me at 20% HP with a mob -> Same Hordie kills me and tries to corpsecamp (since you only got 50% HP upon rez)
It's not gameplay you enjoy. That's why there are two server types. One with unfair dastardly ganking, where most 90s you meet while leveling are total dastards. And one where you're protected from those kinds of shenanigans.
If you chose the former, and hate it, the response should be to change your mind and play on the latter, the PvE realms. Not to demand that the PvP realms be changed beyond recognition, solely because you chose the wrong server type.
I and others keep echoing that refrain endlessly because it's true. There are two server types. The ONLY difference is that PvP servers encourage and allow dishonorable, unfair world PvP gameplay. If you don't like that? Then you should be on a PvE server.
While I agree with Endus' assessment, I wonder if there will be a community for the gankers to gank.
Already you see posts popping up asking for a mass X-fer feature, because people are sick of it.
It stands to reason, if ganking really is a behavior that should be condoned or/and supported by Blizzard.
Clearly you know the game and still, although you had some fun this time, you were powerless. The problem, as I see it, is that there are people like this mage that are doing exactly the same to even lower level players, players that might not have your knowledge of the game. We all know that sub numbers have been dropping and I don't think that allowing max level players to slaughter low levels until they are bored is going to help.
Perhaps when they quit Blizzard could email them the PVP realm rules you linked earlier, I'm sure they will see the error of their ways, immediately resubscribe and pay for a transfer onto a more suitable realm.
Yesterday I got ganked and then 20 seconds after I logged over and camped them for an hour and a half.
I like PvP servers, even if I don't get to kill them back all the time. We're at war here people. It's not even a big deal if I get camped - which happens because for God's sake I've been playing on the same server since Vanilla. I got camped in STV, in Desolace, both Plaguelands, Hillsbrad especially. Every PvP zone I have been ganked and camped in, on my main and many alts. It's a PvP server I don't see the big deal aside from people's imaginary notions of nobility and righteousness in an online game. Killing you isn't personal, and has no indicator on what kind of a person that guy is. A lot of gankers and PvPers I know are very nice are wouldn't dream of taking advantage of someone or scamming them. They're just playing the game.
Let me reiterate that. They're playing the game. This is the game, it is war. The game is war, it's in the name. World of Warcraft. It's not personal, it's just one set of pixels killing another set of pixels. It's not like he's fleecing you of your life savings.
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I don't gank random people often, lowbies even rarely (and I only do so in silly ways, like popping from the sky naked and punching them to death), but on a PVP server I see no problem in killing lowbies. It's not supposed to be fair, I don't think people SHOULD gank lowbies, but people playing on a PVP server should expect that to happen, if they don't, well there's the PVE servers for a reason.
It ain’t wise to poke a warrior so much, sonny. We just might poke ya back.
People are going on about the extreme high levels versus low levels, but what if all the levels and gear are the same, but the other player is playing a "better" class, or is just plain more skilled at PvP? Does everyone think it's okay then to get camped by the same person for several hours until they decide to log, or are we going to start imposing a limit to the number of times you can be attacked by the same person next?
People have been threatening to quit over pretty much every single change Blizzard has ever implemented. It's a threat I don't even notice any more, especially when even this thread (and the prior one) is close to 50/50 on the subject, and forumgoers tend to be biased towards those given to making complaints.Perhaps when they quit Blizzard could email them the PVP realm rules you linked earlier, I'm sure they will see the error of their ways, immediately resubscribe and pay for a transfer onto a more suitable realm.
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Have you not noticed people have been following through with those threats for the past two years?Originally Posted by Endus;19946729People have been threatening to quit over pretty much every single change Blizzard has ever implemented. It's a threat I don't even notice any more, especially when even this thread (and the prior one) is close to 50/50 on the subject, [i